Supreme Efforts in Mahayana/Vajrayana

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Supreme Efforts in Mahayana/Vajrayana

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Supreme Efforts in Mahayana/Vajrayana

From a Nature of Mind point of view, is the arising of a karmically unwholesome thought not an issue?
As long as its nature is recognized simultaneously with the arising unwholesome thought therefor the thought gains no footing, no effort is made to sustain the karmically unwholesome thought, then no problem? the thought is no longer karmically charged?

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Asanga's Abhidharma-samuccaya goes into this quite a bit, as does Vasubandhu's A Mahayana Demonstration of Action/Karma (I forget the Sanskrit name).

To put it simply: "no" problem is going a little too far, as even the arising of an unwholesome thought has karmically potent results, even if it is not followed through. The arising itself occurs due to conditioned phenomena -- previous actions conditioning the mind's inclinations -- so it is itself indicative of karmic afflictions that we should work on. However, allowing it to drop away upon arising, through attentive mindfulness, is the result of great training in the dharma, is indicative of great wholesome karma, and may be taken as evidence of making progress. The ability to be aware of an unwholesome thought's arising, and then to have the insight and discipline to let it go, should be an encouragement to continue practice and accumulating karmic merit such that the conditions leading to the arising of unwholesome thoughts have all been brought to cessation themselves.
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In Vajrayana thoughts arise within the dharmadhatu so seeing that’s like reflections renders them powerless.
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Thank you
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Thank you for this wise guidance.
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Is skillful and unskillful possibly more suitable than wholesome and unwholesome? or is it situational?

Possibly, 'skillful' being thoughts and actions, infused with wisdom and compassion (for self and others), that develop what the Buddha taught and unskillful being that which lacks wisdom and/or compassion and moves us away from developing what the Buddha taught.

For example, having a child facing the challenges of extensive medical needs and procedures, there is a very real possibility serious complications. Acknowledging this as a possible outcome is skillful but worrying about it would be unskillful. For this worrying, unwholesome doesn't feel right somehow. It feels like it implies a subtle judgment of character. Skillful and unskillful feels more like a measuring of capacity to be present in a beneficial way with this challenging situation.
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The issue isn’t arising the issue is discriminating intention.
It’s eye blinking.
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recollecting intention, thank you LastLegend
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Misty wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:50 pm Supreme Efforts in Mahayana/Vajrayana

From a Nature of Mind point of view, is the arising of a karmically unwholesome thought not an issue?
As long as its nature is recognized simultaneously with the arising unwholesome thought therefor the thought gains no footing, no effort is made to sustain the karmically unwholesome thought, then no problem? the thought is no longer karmically charged?

Grateful for all guidance and clarification,
Misty
If you involve in conceptuality then it is an issue. Much words aren't usefull here :c long explanations makes things harder to understand.
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^ I agree but Sometimes knowing the tibetan words can help narrow things down or at least serve as a means to check you're moving in the right direction.

The distinction is whether a thought arises as sherab or namtog, loosely translated as insight or thought.

"The expression moving as sherab is liberated. The expression moving as namtog is confused.
" - Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche
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Vasana wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:25 pm ^ I agree but Sometimes knowing the tibetan words can help narrow things down or at least serve as a means to check you're moving in the right direction.

The distinction is whether a thought arises as sherab or namtog, loosely translated as insight or thought.

"The expression moving as sherab is liberated. The expression moving as namtog is confused.
" - Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche
true. we see teachers makes things easier :)
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Vasana wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:25 pm ^ I agree but Sometimes knowing the tibetan words can help narrow things down or at least serve as a means to check you're moving in the right direction.

The distinction is whether a thought arises as sherab or namtog, loosely translated as insight or thought.

"The expression moving as sherab is liberated. The expression moving as namtog is confused.
" - Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche
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