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Football and Buddhism

Post by gettingthere » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:22 am

Hi there - I'm new to Buddhism and just trying to understand how this works out in different areas of life - especially understanding and handling emotions. How does Buddhism impact on supporting a particular football team? Should I aim to eliminate that? Or just reduce it? Or am I misunderstanding things?! :juggling:

Thank you! :smile:

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by £$&^@ » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:21 am

How does it work out in terms of preferring apples to oranges?
Or preferring your mother to someone else's mother?


The Buddhist doctrine of Upekkha..'equanimity', does not mean that in everyday life we won't have preferences and loyalties and tastes.
It means that we should always be aware of the real importance of things. And that in the end everything..football teams, apples, and mums..pass away.
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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Queequeg » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:05 pm

Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.
Go Bills.

The owner of this site is a Raiders fan.

I dunno. I'm not a Buddha.

"Lord, make me pure, but not yet."
-Augustine

The Bills need to win a Superbowl first.

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Ayu » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:38 pm

I think it's fine to enjoy the winning of your team.

I have decided to stick with love.
Hate is too great a burden to bear.
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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Queequeg » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:41 am

:rolling:
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by DNS » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:26 am

Queequeg wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:05 pm
The owner of this site is a Raiders fan.
:D Silver & Black, what better place than sin city, Vegas. Only one more year to go before they relocate here.

Are we talking about Fútbol or Football? :tongue:

I think it's fine for lay people to engage in some mindless entertainments from time to time. Equanimity might be tested, but that's good too. One could get happy or sad depending on the outcome, as long as it doesn't go too far, it's perfectly fine. The line would only get crossed (imo) if one started trashing your place in anger, engaging in violence, flipping out, etc. In the end, it's just a game and entertainment, nothing to take too seriously.

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by amanitamusc » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:29 am

Queequeg wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:05 pm
Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.
Go Bills.

The owner of this site is a Raiders fan.

I dunno. I'm not a Buddha.

"Lord, make me pure, but not yet."
-Augustine

The Bills need to win a Superbowl first.

:tongue:
It would help if you watched Buffalo 66 :twothumbsup:

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Yavana » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:31 am

DNS wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:26 am
Are we talking about Fútbol or Football? :tongue:
The line would only get crossed (imo) if one started trashing your place in anger, engaging in violence, flipping out, etc.
Could an exception be made in the case of the former sport on account of tradition?

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Wayfarer » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:36 am

You ought to see the 2000 film, The Cup
While the soccer World Cup is being played in France, two young Tibetan refugees arrive at a monastery/boarding school in exile in India. Its atmosphere of serene contemplation is somewhat disrupted by soccer fever, the chief instigator being a young student, the soccer enthusiast Orgyen. Prevented by various circumstances from seeing the Cup finals on television in a nearby village, Orgyen sets out to organize the rental of a TV set for the monastery. The enterprise becomes a test of solidarity, resourcefulness and friendship for the students, while the Lama, head of the monastery, contemplates the challenges of teaching the word of Buddha in a rapidly changing world.
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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by £$&^@ » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:26 am

A wonderful heart warming film. :thumbsup:
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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Punya » Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:46 am

The Cup is directed by Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche, who inspired The Football Sutra:
Addressed in this way, noble Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche, the bodhisattva football fan,
Said to venerable Philip Philippou,
“Oh, Philip Philippou, a son or daughter of a national team
Who wishes to practise Perfect Ball Control should see in this way:
Seeing that Perfect Ball Control is accomplished when mind is one with the ball.

The ball is always one with the mind; the mind is always one with the ball:
Ball is none other than mind and
Mind is none other than the ball
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/janines ... sutra/amp/

There's no problem in enjoying everyday activities, the trick is not to be too attached to them.
We abide nowhere. We possess nothing.
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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Akasamuni » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:06 pm

gettingthere wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:22 am
Hi there - I'm new to Buddhism and just trying to understand how this works out in different areas of life - especially understanding and handling emotions. How does Buddhism impact on supporting a particular football team? Should I aim to eliminate that? Or just reduce it? Or am I misunderstanding things?! :juggling:

Thank you! :smile:
I wouldn't necessarily prematurely renounce something like that unless it was responsible for considerable negative mental states. That's for you to judge as we can all respond differently to spectator sports. Remember, Buddhism is not about 'Thou shalt not ... '. The core of Buddhist ethics is about becoming more sensitive to the harm we cause others and ourselves. This becomes more and more subtle over time, so we find that we quite naturally want to do things with our mind that are less excitable. Having said that, there may be areas in our lives where we might need to specifically stop a harmful activity to help that sensitivity along a bit.

I'd just get on with your Buddhist practice, particularly meditation, and you might find that you lose interest in football over time or just feel less attached to game outcomes. You might even enjoy it more, appreciate finer aspects of skill and strategy, appreciate more the opposite teams' qualities etc. With genuine practice and your own authentic growth and development along the path, things will work themselves out.

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Miroku » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:58 pm

Renounce hatred that appears when the other team scores. :D
A boat delivers you to the other riverbank.
A needle stitches up your clothes.
A horse takes you where you want to go.
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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by £$&^@ » Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:35 pm

Miroku wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:58 pm
Renounce hatred that appears when the other team scores. :D
Following a football team (and I imagine the same applies to American football or baseball) furnishes many opportunities to develop both Upekkha and Mudita. :smile:
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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Miroku » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:12 pm

£$&^@ wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:35 pm
Miroku wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:58 pm
Renounce hatred that appears when the other team scores. :D
Following a football team (and I imagine the same applies to American football or baseball) furnishes many opportunities to develop both Upekkha and Mudita. :smile:
Reading how dharma can be woven into ones life definetly makes me feel Mudita :twothumbsup: .
A boat delivers you to the other riverbank.
A needle stitches up your clothes.
A horse takes you where you want to go.
Bodhicitta will bring you to Buddhahood.
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Even non-buddhists have many virtuous accomplishments
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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Queequeg » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:56 pm

Miroku wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:58 pm
Renounce hatred that appears when the other team scores. :D
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by SunWuKong » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:46 am

gettingthere wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:22 am
Hi there - I'm new to Buddhism and just trying to understand how this works out in different areas of life - especially understanding and handling emotions. How does Buddhism impact on supporting a particular football team? Should I aim to eliminate that? Or just reduce it? Or am I misunderstanding things?! :juggling:

Thank you! :smile:
gettingthere: are you still here? What did you decide?
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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by Queequeg » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:52 pm

Maybe he got there.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by DNS » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:53 pm

Yavana wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:31 am
DNS wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:26 am
Are we talking about Fútbol or Football? :tongue:
The line would only get crossed (imo) if one started trashing your place in anger, engaging in violence, flipping out, etc.
Could an exception be made in the case of the former sport on account of tradition?
No. :tongue:

:rules:

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Re: Football and Buddhism

Post by DNS » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:55 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:56 pm
Miroku wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:58 pm
Renounce hatred that appears when the other team scores. :D
Over 2 million views for that you tube video; it's amazing sometimes which videos get so many views.

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