Buddhahood in a lifetime ---how?

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Buddhahood in a lifetime ---how?

Post by Supramundane » Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:42 am

Various schools contend that it is possible to reach Buddhahood in one lifetime.

The Dalai Lama himself once said that Buddhahood can be achieved in one lifetime by attaining exceptional Bodhicitta.

"You should seek to discover what prevents you from becoming a Buddha, and you will find your mind is influenced by fluctuating emotions. To overcome these, you should practice equanimity". --DL

Do you believe this is possible?
if you put all that you know about the Dharma into practice, can you achieve it?
A side question --- can you achieve Buddhahood even though your Master has not?

I'm interested in reading your responses.

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Post by tkp67 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:33 pm

As I understand the Lotus Sutra through the Nichiren tradition I would answer yes to both from that perspective.

Personally I think mankind is becoming both more capable but also are is in greater need to practice and evoke Buddhahood in their lives. The differences between life today and life 2000 + years ago has changed most drastically over the past 40-50 years due to technology.

Access alone to teachings has been facilitated by technology in ways that would seem alien to people 2000 years ago. Also our minds connect now without the same sensual interaction. We communicate mind to mind now through technology. There seems to be some exponential advancement in ways mind and information interact. There are more factors but I feel it accords to your name. That is, as we advance Buddhahood is less of a "supernatural" state and more of a "natural" state. The word mundane comes to mind. Not that the state is different but rather less foreign and alien to mankind.

I am simply saying that the more people who can attain Buddhahood and the more people who attain Buddhahood the more bBuddhahood will be understood as accessible and approachable. Not as something that requires eons to achieve.

It would stand to reason that the efforts of Buddhas past are turning to fruit in times to come.

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Post by LastLegend » Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:21 pm

Supramundane wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:42 am


Do you believe this is possible?
if you put all that you know about the Dharma into practice, can you achieve it?
A side question --- can you achieve Buddhahood even though your Master has not?

I'm interested in reading your responses.
1) Yes.
2) Practice will lead to see your nature clearer.
3) Yes. Everyone is different.
Make personal vows.

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Post by PadmaVonSamba » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:57 pm

Supramundane wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:42 am
Various schools contend that it is possible to reach Buddhahood in one lifetime.

The Dalai Lama himself once said that Buddhahood can be achieved in one lifetime by attaining exceptional Bodhicitta.

"You should seek to discover what prevents you from becoming a Buddha, and you will find your mind is influenced by fluctuating emotions. To overcome these, you should practice equanimity". --DL

Do you believe this is possible?
if you put all that you know about the Dharma into practice, can you achieve it?
A side question --- can you achieve Buddhahood even though your Master has not?

I'm interested in reading your responses.
1. Yes, you can achieve buddhahood in one lifetime, but which one?
Consider that you may achieve it in this lifetime.
That is also the result of many previous lifetimes of practice or connection with the dharma.
It's like the hungry person who eats a box of donuts, and they eat the chocolate donut last.
Then, feeling full, they think, "Oh, I only needed to eat the chocolate one!"

2. Why would you have somebody as a dharma master if they are not enlightened?
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Post by Queequeg » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:15 pm

PadmaVonSamba wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:57 pm
2. Why would you have somebody as a dharma master if they are not enlightened?
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Following the implication of your question, which I take as rhetorical... I suspect there would be scarcely a person with a living teacher. This is not a knock on anyone's teacher but rather praise of bodhi.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by SteRo » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:20 pm

Supramundane wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:42 am
Do you believe this is possible?
Regardless of how many lifetimes it takes there will always be the last one. So yes, Buddhahood is attained in a lifetime.

:namaste:

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Post by Queequeg » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:30 pm

Supramundane wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:42 am
Do you believe this is possible?
I have faith that Buddhahood is possible. It is achieved by living beings, so, it follows that it is achieved in a lifetime.
if you put all that you know about the Dharma into practice, can you achieve it?
I would put it this way:

The peak of the tallest mountains can be observed from hundreds of miles away. When people say it is possible to ascend to the peak and claim they have done it, conducting themselves in a way that lends credence to their words, why wouldn't I believe that with the requisite preparation I, or any able bodied person, could do it, too?
A side question --- can you achieve Buddhahood even though your Master has not?
Prior to his awakening, the ascetic Gotama studied with and mastered the teachings of Alara Kalama and then Udaka Ramaputta. He perceived, however, that their teachings did not lead to liberation, and he attained Bodhi, as he said, without a teacher. His first impulse on awakening was to find his teachers knowing that they would understand what he had achieved. There are plenty of examples of students surpassing their teachers in the mundane realm; short of being a direct disciple of a Buddha, attaining bodhi generally is an achievement surpassing one's teachers.

On the Buddha path, though, time lines get blurred because a life time is not quite what a being ensnared in samsara perceives it to be. Even if we don't have a teacher in this life, how can it be ruled out that one's teacher sent one here to further their practice? This does seem to be the implication of some Sutra teachings.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by LastLegend » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:35 pm

People following Mahayana path in many previous life have made vows to liberate sentient beings. They take rebirth to become a teacher. They are able to teach, though not necessarily enlightened yet.
Make personal vows.

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Post by florin » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:49 pm

You have to be an exceptional individual, practice long and diligent for many years, follow the right teachings and have the right teacher. For all these to come together is rare.

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Post by LastLegend » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:13 pm

florin wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:49 pm
You have to be an exceptional individual, practice long and diligent for many years, follow the right teachings and have the right teacher. For all these to come together is rare.
Poetry: Why have fear when spring comes flowers will bloom.

Those are words of a dharma friend.

If not this spring, many springs after.
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Post by PadmaVonSamba » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:35 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:15 pm
PadmaVonSamba wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:57 pm
Why would you have somebody as a dharma master if they are not enlightened?
Following the implication of your question, which I take as rhetorical... I suspect there would be scarcely a person with a living teacher. This is not a knock on anyone's teacher but rather praise of bodhi.
There are many realized teachers in all traditions
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Post by Astus » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:38 pm

Supramundane wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:42 am
Do you believe this is possible?
Very much. Those schools who talk of buddhahood in this life base this on the understanding that 'this mind is buddha', so practically buddhahood means the ending of all attachments, the goal of all Buddhists. If the elimination of clinging were not possible in this life, then it would never be possible.
if you put all that you know about the Dharma into practice, can you achieve it?
With right view comes right cultivation, and with right cultivation comes right enlightenment.
A side question --- can you achieve Buddhahood even though your Master has not?
The teacher must be able to impart the right view. Cultivation is up to each individual.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Post by Queequeg » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:48 pm

PadmaVonSamba wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:35 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:15 pm
PadmaVonSamba wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:57 pm
Why would you have somebody as a dharma master if they are not enlightened?
Following the implication of your question, which I take as rhetorical... I suspect there would be scarcely a person with a living teacher. This is not a knock on anyone's teacher but rather praise of bodhi.
There are many realized teachers in all traditions
.
.
.
Who have attained Buddhahood? I suppose that goal post can be moved to fit the leg.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by LastLegend » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:09 pm

I meant ‘have no fear’ :lol:
Make personal vows.

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Post by LastLegend » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:16 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:48 pm
PadmaVonSamba wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:35 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:15 pm


Following the implication of your question, which I take as rhetorical... I suspect there would be scarcely a person with a living teacher. This is not a knock on anyone's teacher but rather praise of bodhi.
There are many realized teachers in all traditions
.
.
.
Who have attained Buddhahood? I suppose that goal post can be moved to fit the leg.
:jumping:

Nobody dares to claim. But the way it’s described there isn’t one appearance there. Then the 6 senses become harmonious functions.
Make personal vows.

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Post by Rick » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:17 pm

Translated by erstwhile DW member Malcolm Smith: Buddhahood in This Life: The Great Commentary by Vimalamitra.
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Post by LastLegend » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:01 am

Astus wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:38 pm

Very much. Those schools who talk of buddhahood in this life base this on the understanding that 'this mind is buddha', so practically buddhahood means the ending of all attachments, the goal of all Buddhists. If the elimination of clinging were not possible in this life, then it would never be possible.
True about clinging. We should know where we are and where we are stuck (grasping).

Poetry: The moon always shines on its own but thickened layers of clouds need be thinning.

Disagreed: if not this spring then the one after or after flowers will bloom.
if you put all that you know about the Dharma into practice, can you achieve it?
With right view comes right cultivation, and with right cultivation comes right enlightenment.

The teacher must be able to impart the right view. Cultivation is up to each individual.
Hooray 6th Patriarch!
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Post by tobes » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:30 am

I think so, but only on the basis of having very auspicious karma.

As for how: many great masters have taught that until one relinquishes all attachment to this life, it is not possible. Therefore, it is possible when one accomplishes realisations of impermanence and this naturally causes all energy to be directed towards bodhi.

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:35 am

Sure but it's tough, most of us are not really read to give up Samsara yet. I think any set of instructions from a legitimate source will work as intended, but none of them without the foundational stuff...a main thrust of which is...you guessed it, giving up Samsara.
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Post by LastLegend » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:35 am

I used to think that’s I have to give up family and everything. Now I understand. Just that emphasis/mind is put towards enlightenment (for example mind thinks about Dharma majority of day: I don’t know how to describe this but my view has changed) and everything seems to take second. Sure, it’s tough holding a job and caring for family-big distraction. Do I care if eat noodles or a good meal? Yes and no. But not really. It’s about quickly not too concerned: like I could be hellish yesterday but today it’s different.

Householders (e.i., Tibetan masters) after enlightenment still stay with their wives and children and are doing what 7 billions people are doing. My teacher is also married with 3 children. They are able to do things no different than anyone without being attached. I don’t really know their experience but I am sure if they want to eat oranges, they will go get them and eat them and know that those oranges taste good.
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