Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by narhwal90 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:54 pm

LotusLover wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:32 pm
big hello Deaf/blind here i have a karmic affinity towards nichiren shoshu

im fluent in american sign language

you can chant the entire Daimoku in ASL simply by using three signs one of which all who chant it know already
Thats cool! I'd love to see it done someday. Is the signing done as a form of sansho ie only for a few recitations, or is is done for longer intervals also?

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by LotusLover » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:33 pm

it can be done both ways short recitations or longer

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by LotusLover » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:40 pm

for those not fluent in asl certainly will take some practice. personally id rather sign it in Japanese sign language then ASL for the same reasons one recites in Japanese but at present dont know Japanese sign language,

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by Fortyeightvows » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:51 am

In some sense, all mudras are sign language.

Also we could probably say something about the term sign language.

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by LotusLover » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:11 pm

Fortyeightvows wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:51 am
In some sense, all mudras are sign language.

Also we could probably say something about the term sign language.
mudras as i see them are remnants of a much older sign language of iron age India perhaps pre indo European or an even older system of that stretched to the upper paleolithic, which i imagine had a very well developed sign language and mudra system. what is the most accurate mudra listing?

as for the term "sign language" its pretty cut and dry like any any language it will have to meet certain criteria to be classed as one as opposed to coded systems such as braille, or Morse code,

american sign language meets all the criteria of what a language is. its no longer even contested in academia since its been proven to be a full human language (stokoe et all) sign languages are a different mode of language. but a full human

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by narhwal90 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:36 pm

This one is approachable and presents the basics;

https://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/ ... apan.shtml

I have a book on Shingon that goes through a half-dozen or so others, particularly associated with their school. I liked their lotus mudra and practiced with that for a while but found it wasn't very compatible with the juzu beads so went back to the old way.

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by Fortyeightvows » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:01 pm

LotusLover wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:11 pm
Fortyeightvows wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:51 am
In some sense, all mudras are sign language.

Also we could probably say something about the term sign language.
as for the term "sign language" its pretty cut and dry like any any language it will have to meet certain criteria to be classed as one as opposed to coded systems such as braille, or Morse code,
I was meaning sign as in "it must be a sign" sing & symbol, the writing of Kukai, like that...

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by LotusLover » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:42 pm

Fortyeightvows wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:01 pm
LotusLover wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:11 pm
Fortyeightvows wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:51 am
In some sense, all mudras are sign language.

Also we could probably say something about the term sign language.
as for the term "sign language" its pretty cut and dry like any any language it will have to meet certain criteria to be classed as one as opposed to coded systems such as braille, or Morse code,
I was meaning sign as in "it must be a sign" sing & symbol, the writing of Kukai, like that...
ah ok i understand now. thank you for clarifying

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by LotusLover » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:45 pm

narhwal90 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:36 pm
This one is approachable and presents the basics;

https://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/ ... apan.shtml

I have a book on Shingon that goes through a half-dozen or so others, particularly associated with their school. I liked their lotus mudra and practiced with that for a while but found it wasn't very compatible with the juzu beads so went back to the old way.
thank you for the link.

whats the shingon lotus mudra?

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by narhwal90 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:09 pm

I took a photo of the material from the book referencing the mudra, and the cover. I view the book as an general introduction to Shingon, perhaps enough to see if there is an attraction or no, but insufficient as a basis of practice. I found it helpful to gain some perspective on the school- to detach from Nichiren's opinions.

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by LotusLover » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:45 pm

narhwal90 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:09 pm
I took a photo of the material from the book referencing the mudra, and the cover. I view the book as an general introduction to Shingon, perhaps enough to see if there is an attraction or no, but insufficient as a basis of practice. I found it helpful to gain some perspective on the school- to detach from Nichiren's opinions.


shingon-mudra.jpg


shingon-cover.jpg
fascinating, Thank you

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by Minobu » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:31 pm

narhwal90 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:09 pm
I took a photo of the material from the book referencing the mudra, and the cover. I view the book as an general introduction to Shingon, perhaps enough to see if there is an attraction or no, but insufficient as a basis of practice. I found it helpful to gain some perspective on the school- to detach from Nichiren's opinions.


shingon-mudra.jpg


shingon-cover.jpg
why am i not allowed to view the attatchment

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by narhwal90 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:21 pm

dont know, shows for me.. javascript blocker maybe? i can post links to jpg if that helps

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by Minobu » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:48 pm

narhwal90 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:21 pm
dont know, shows for me.. javascript blocker maybe? i can post links to jpg if that helps
please do

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

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Re: Is there a sign language equivalent to NMRK?

Post by Minobu » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:25 am

thank you kindly neat stuff

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