What does the Nichiren Shoshu Gohonzon look like?

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What does the Nichiren Shoshu Gohonzon look like?

Post by dharmapdx » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:48 am

Is it a transcription of the Dai Gohonzon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Gohonzon

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Post by illarraza » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:33 pm

dharmapdx wrote:Is it a transcription of the Dai Gohonzon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_Gohonzon
The current Nichiren Shoshu Gohonzon is a transcription by the current High Priest Nichinyo. Each High Priest disseminates their own transcription that more or less reflects the DaiGohonzon. Could not find a Nichinyo Gohonzon online. A very popular Nichiren Shohsu Gohonzon is the Nittatsu Gohonzon.

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Post by dharmapdx » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:43 am

Thanks. Surprising that this is the one Gohonzon that isnt available online.

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Post by Tatsuo » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:59 am

I think this is the Gohonzon inscribed by Nichinyo
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Post by dharmapdx » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:43 am

Very interesting. Thank you. Oddly this is kind of what I had suspected their Gohonzon would look like, "sharp" and sort of, um, "rigid" and "crisp." I don't mean that as an insult…. Maybe a better word for it is "authoritarian." I had expected their Gohonzon would have an authoritarian vibe about it.

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Post by Bois de Santal » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:19 am

dharmapdx wrote:Very interesting. Thank you. Oddly this is kind of what I had suspected their Gohonzon would look like, "sharp" and sort of, um, "rigid" and "crisp." I don't mean that as an insult…. Maybe a better word for it is "authoritarian." I had expected their Gohonzon would have an authoritarian vibe about it.
Beware of inductive reasoning.

That conclusion may be true of the Gohonzon in the photograph, but it would not apply to either the Nikken (67th) Gohonzon, nor the Nittatsu one (66th). I also saw the gohonzon inscribed by the 65th high priest once. Again, very different.

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Post by dharmapdx » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:56 am

In my opinion they are actually very similar Gohonzon.
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Post by Bois de Santal » Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:21 pm

Hmmm... they look very different to me. There is nothing sharp or jagged in the Nittatsu gohonzon and neither is it bold and in your face, like the okatagi gonhonzon inscribed by the 67th high priest.

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Post by dharmapdx » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:57 am

Bois de Santal wrote:Hmmm... they look very different to me. There is nothing sharp or jagged in the Nittatsu gohonzon and neither is it bold and in your face, like the okatagi gonhonzon inscribed by the 67th high priest.
I like both of them. They are similar in that the printing is very "clear." You can make out just about every Chinese character. Many other Gohonzon have the Chinese characters running together.

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Post by Minobu » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:34 pm

dharmapdx wrote:
Bois de Santal wrote:Hmmm... they look very different to me. There is nothing sharp or jagged in the Nittatsu gohonzon and neither is it bold and in your face, like the okatagi gohonzon inscribed by the 67th high priest.
I like both of them. They are similar in that the printing is very "clear." You can make out just about every Chinese character. Many other Gohonzon have the Chinese characters running together.
getting hung up on styles of inscribing the characters is quite common...it detracts from what is really happening..

Melding with ceremony in the air...which is like an invisible template mandala spread out all over the earth now.
and by a daily practice creating your own , similar mandala ,in your daily life which you rely on for aid in all that comes up ...learning, health , wealth , relationships ,all human endeavor.

i like this one.
Last Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Shonin

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Post by CedarTree » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:10 pm

These are so crazy beautiful.

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Post by narhwal90 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:21 pm

I like this style (#50 in gohonzon-shu), theres another one in this style I like more but will have to dig for it again.

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Some of the gohonzon

http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/GohonzonShu/060.html

for instance have a link to " Saikakudoppo's blog", which if followed leads to pages in Japanese. For those who can't read it, a while back Minobu mentioned the page URL can be put into translate.google.com and sometimes hints about the details of the gohonzon can be deduced from the resulting "janglish" .

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Post by Bois de Santal » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:35 pm

Minobu wrote:getting hung up on styles of inscribing the characters is quite common...it detracts from what is really happening..
I wouldn't call it 'hung up'. The calligraphy is a large part of the gohonzon. And it communicates the life condition of the person who inscribed it. The difference in calligraphic style between the 65th, 66th, 67th and 68th high priests of Nichiren Shoshu is really striking. In one sense, sure, they are all gohonzons, but at the same time we know now the background (to a lesser or greater extent) of these high priests (and Nichiren Shoshu itself) and that cannot help but have an impact on the experience of chanting to a gohonzon inscribed by one of them. For example, there are quite a lot of Nikken gohonzons available on e-bay. That says a lot in my opinion.

I'm sure there are some who would argue that the very fact that they were inscribed by a high priest of NS in itself renders them invalid. At the very least it is important to feel that the provenance of a gohonzon is authentic. And for that reason a lot of independants prefer to chant to a copy of a gohonzon that was inscribed by Nichiren rather than one inscribed by someone of potentially dubious authority. (And given the schisms in the Nichiren school pretty much every sect is considered to be less than authentic by at least one other sect, if I understand things correctly.)

So, to throw the this right back at you...
Melding with ceremony in the air...which is like an invisible template mandala spread out all over the earth now.
and by a daily practice creating your own , similar mandala ,in your daily life which you rely on for aid in all that comes up ...learning, health , wealth , relationships ,all human endeavor.
Could you really do that with a gohonzon inscribed by Nikken Shonin?

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Post by Minobu » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:01 am

Bois de Santal wrote:
Minobu wrote:getting hung up on styles of inscribing the characters is quite common...it detracts from what is really happening..
I wouldn't call it 'hung up'.
In the past I did get hung up on it .still do...so it's not just directed at everyone, but me as well....

in the sense i was concentrating on the style like the two sanskrit charters ...then look at the ichinen sanzen Gohonzon made by Nichiren shonin and some of His others and they can be quite different.
i was trying to make a point about the whole style thing is not an issue...On the Shutei Gohonzon there is a stroke gone astray referred to as a mistake

The calligraphy is a large part of the gohonzon. And it communicates the life condition of the person who inscribed it. The difference in calligraphic style between the 65th, 66th, 67th and 68th high priests of Nichiren Shoshu is really striking.
not unlike Nichiren Shonin Himself .

In one sense, sure, they are all gohonzons, but at the same time we know now the background (to a lesser or greater extent) of these high priests (and Nichiren Shoshu itself) and that cannot help but have an impact on the experience of chanting to a gohonzon inscribed by one of them. For example, there are quite a lot of Nikken gohonzons available on e-bay. That says a lot in my opinion.
high Priest Nittatsu is very much saught after...what aspect of High Priest Nikken are you fosusing on with that statement ?
I'm sure there are some who would argue that the very fact that they were inscribed by a high priest of NS in itself renders them invalid.
again same question .
At the very least it is important to feel that the provenance of a gohonzon is authentic.


true..
And for that reason a lot of independants prefer to chant to a copy of a gohonzon that was inscribed by Nichiren
thats me all the way ..
rather than one inscribed by someone of potentially dubious authority. (And given the schisms in the Nichiren school pretty much every sect is considered to be less than authentic by at least one other sect, if I understand things correctly.)
i'm not aware of this less then authentic in one sect stuff...please tell...
So, to throw the this right back at you...

Now there are many a post by me over the years and here as of late as well about this whole concept of Namu'ing to characters of high priests whom we have no idea what is their life condition...Which is what you are talking about...yes/no..
I agree with you ...it could be a real bad thing...and maybe not...for i've thought about this for years...
Still right now it's only authentic Nichiren Shonin Gohonzon off the Gohonzon Shu for me on my screen ...as you might know how i pray...or practice...

this is the thing....these guys like it or not are or have been our teachers, and gurus. In Buddhism lineage and master disciple is everything.
Nichiren daishonin was not into His base sect which was Nembutsu , but right to the end of His life He showed total respect, to Master Dozenbo , his Master. This is not coincidence ...

Everything about Lord Shakyamuni's life is a play..it is all acted out by Him for us to learn....I feel it is the same with Nichiren Daishonin's life...it's all a three act play for prosperity...his entire Life is a lesson..
so i dunnoo...are they gonna rub off on us....we are Namuing The entire Gohonzon...so I'm with you on this...more on your side of things than the part of me trying to figure a way that it is ok...

Minobu wrote:Melding with ceremony in the air...which is like an invisible template mandala spread out all over the earth now.
and by a daily practice creating your own , similar mandala ,in your daily life which you rely on for aid in all that comes up ...learning, health , wealth , relationships ,all human endeavor.
Bois de Santal wrote:Could you really do that with a gohonzon inscribed by Nikken Shonin?
Look i don't know what Nikken shonin or ikeda are really about...they both from where i stand are two sides of the same coin...but they are as much of this practice as i am...And in the infinite time ahead and behind us who knows eh ! We should not slander each other ..especially people involved in this Lotus Buddhism...you know when you gossip about somebody ...then life takes a few turns and you find yourself involved with them and wish you had not gossipped about them...same deal is gonna happen to all of us who criticise other practitioners and Bodhisattvas of the Earth.

But I am really into this whole Mandala thing i just talked about and am going to make a thread about it ...


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