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TOS wishful thinking

Post by smcj » Fri May 19, 2017 3:00 pm

Wouldn't it be nice if we could put this in the TOS?
Meido wrote:A great deal of the value I get from forums like DW, aside from content, is examining my motivations for posting.
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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by dharmagoat » Sat May 20, 2017 8:42 am

smcj wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if we could put this in the TOS?
Meido wrote:A great deal of the value I get from forums like DW, aside from content, is examining my motivations for posting.
Seconded!

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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by Ayu » Sat May 20, 2017 12:43 pm

It's actually there. :smile:
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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by Mantrik » Sat May 20, 2017 12:50 pm

Interesting to re-read that.

Also made me wonder whatever happened to Catmoon.
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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by smcj » Sat May 20, 2017 2:21 pm

I like this too. From "6 Paramitas and 8 Fold Path".
shaunc wrote:The test of any religion in my opinion is not whether it makes your life better but whether it makes the lives of those around you better.
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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by boda » Sat May 20, 2017 6:22 pm

Ayu wrote:It's actually there. :smile:
Actually it's not.


By the way, 100% of my posts have been approved this last week. Is something wrong? I'm starting to worry.

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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by Jesse » Fri May 26, 2017 12:55 am

Part of right speech is examining the motives for the thing's we say to others. So it really is in the TOS. To add to what Meido, and Catmoon said, when we post on public forums it gives us much more opportunity to examine our motives than in face to face conversations. As we are sitting alone usually, and we do not have to reply immediately. Which gives us ample time to examine our thoughts, and feelings before making comments. Not to imply it's an easy thing to do haha.

Beyond examining our own motives for posting, I've noticed when we read forums like these, we tend to do a lot of imagining as well. We imagine the motives of other people's comments and writings. We imagine their tone, their intentions, and their underlying thoughts. We do most of this without noticing it, or really thinking to ourselves... "Is this really how the person means this..", etc.

Online we do not have the convenience of physical clues, body language, tone, etc.

Just think about how many times you have personally been misunderstood online, how our imaginations can tend to breed hostility, anxieties, etc. Once you notice all this junk happening in your mind, for the most part, you can try to weed it out. So, yes there is alot of benefit to posting to online communities.
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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by dharmagoat » Fri May 26, 2017 1:42 am

:good:

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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by boda » Fri May 26, 2017 4:11 am

Jesse wrote:Part of right speech is examining the motives for the thing's we say to others. So it really is in the TOS.
Right speech is abstaining from lying, divisive speech, abusive speech, and from idle chatter. You don't need to examine your motivations in order to abstain from these things. You only need to know what they are, and abstain from them.
To add to what Meido, and Catmoon said, when we post on public forums it gives us much more opportunity to examine our motives than in face to face conversations. As we are sitting alone usually, and we do not have to reply immediately. Which gives us ample time to examine our thoughts, and feelings before making comments. Not to imply it's an easy thing to do haha.
Indeed it's not an easy thing to do. There are levels to our motivations that go well beyond the rational. We do many things that we'll never know or full understand our motivations for. We can also deceive ourselves. Marketers famously exploit our ability to rationalize our behavior.

Ambiguous or false terms of service invite abuse. Honest and explicit terms express clarity of purpose.

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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by Jesse » Fri May 26, 2017 4:47 am

You also have to take into consideration the rest of the 8fold path, especially right thought, and right mindfulness, Both of which are very helpful tools when it comes to right speech. I agree sometimes rules should be quite specific, but I also think having the rules reflect the 8fold path is very Buddhist, no? :tongue:

Then again if we followed it to the T, there wouldn't be a forum because most of our conversations would count as idle chatter hah.
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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by dharmagoat » Fri May 26, 2017 4:49 am

boda wrote:
Jesse wrote:Part of right speech is examining the motives for the thing's we say to others. So it really is in the TOS.
Right speech is abstaining from lying, divisive speech, abusive speech, and from idle chatter. You don't need to examine your motivations in order to abstain from these things. You only need to know what they are, and abstain from them.
Examining our motives helps us recognise when we are lying, speaking divisively, speaking abusively, or chattering idly. It builds awareness of our behaviour so that we are more able to abstain from these habits.

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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by boda » Fri May 26, 2017 9:51 pm

dharmagoat wrote:
boda wrote:
Jesse wrote:Part of right speech is examining the motives for the thing's we say to others. So it really is in the TOS.
Right speech is abstaining from lying, divisive speech, abusive speech, and from idle chatter. You don't need to examine your motivations in order to abstain from these things. You only need to know what they are, and abstain from them.
Examining our motives helps us recognise when we are lying, speaking divisively, speaking abusively, or chattering idly. It builds awareness of our behaviour so that we are more able to abstain from these habits.
You are talking about a method, a method that is notoriously difficult and unreliable, and suggesting that this method be part of the terms of service. If the aim of the forum is to provide a space to learn about and discuss Dharma without animosity, and Right Speech is believed to encourage this aim, then whatever method works best to facilitate right speech should be employed. Examining motivations for posting may work well for Meido, but it may not work well at all for others. The method of taking 5 minutes to review a post for truthfulness, divisiveness, abusiveness, and frivolousness before posting, for example, may work far better for some members than examining motivations for posting.

And the above is beside the fact that there's no way to verify if someone has examined their motivations before posting.

The terms of service would also need to define what motivations are acceptable.

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Re: TOS wishful thinking

Post by smcj » Fri May 26, 2017 11:05 pm

And the above is beside the fact that there's no way to verify if someone has examined their motivations before posting.

The terms of service would also need to define what motivations are acceptable.
True. That's why I titled the thread "TOS wishful thinking".
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Re: TOS wishful thinking

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