Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

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Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by Dharmasherab » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:50 am

Would be nice if we can have a subforum called 'Rime' under Tibetan Buddhism.

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Re: Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by practitioner » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:17 pm

In my experience Rime is more of an attitude than anything else so I’m not sure it really needs it own forum. Time practitioners still follow one of the moon lineages, just with an open heart to the others. I say this as someone who come up in Kalu Rinpoche’s lineage.
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Re: Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by Miroku » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:59 pm

Technically speaking it has the general tibetan buddhism section, soo...
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Re: Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by oldbob » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:47 pm

Miroku wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:59 pm
Technically speaking it has the general tibetan buddhism section, soo...
Perhaps Dzogchen is the same as Rime, because not having any capacity of description makes it beyond any partiality what-so-ever. One taste means one taste, but Dzogchen never claims even this, as it doesn't have the capacity to claim anything, even this: like writing on air or water, and perhaps this is the indescribable one taste of ultimate rimed.

However, since some great Lamas claim to be Rime (I believe Ringo Tulku for example) maybe it would be good to have a place to present / differentiate their views and philosophies.

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Re: Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by conebeckham » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:01 pm

My personal feeling is that "Rime" is not an institution, nor is it really a separate lineage of practice, so it should be covered under the general TB forum.

As a movement, in the 19th Century, it arose due to very specific sectarian issues. In particular, it was largely started and encouraged by Sakya and Kagyu masters to incorporate Dzogchen and terma traditions amongst their respective institutions. Any dharma tradition or practice that would be embraced as "Rime" would therefore be found in existing subforums.
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Re: Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by oldbob » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:26 pm

conebeckham wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:01 pm
My personal feeling is that "Rime" is not an institution, nor is it really a separate lineage of practice, so it should be covered under the general TB forum.

As a movement, in the 19th Century, it arose due to very specific sectarian issues. In particular, it was largely started and encouraged by Sakya and Kagyu masters to incorporate Dzogchen and terma traditions amongst their respective institutions. Any dharma tradition or practice that would be embraced as "Rime" would therefore be found in existing subforums.
:good: Good postings all.

Here is the whole historical picture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rim%C3%A9_movement

There are many stories that when ChNNR went to Tibetan conferences that all the 5 sects would ask him to sit with them.

There was a question of becoming "Mr. No Name" if you did not take a name.

If someone were to ask me what sect I belong to, I am happy to say Rime. I have taken teachings from all 5 sects so I don't identify with this one or that one, but respect the teachings and Masters from all sects and other religions too.

On reflection, I agree with conebeckham and do not see a need to have any particular Rime division on DW. An un-named division is actually more accurate and perhaps interesting / intriguing for Rime. A search for Rime, and RImed is possible.

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Re: Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by Mantrik » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:16 pm

No Rime nor Reason for it. ;)
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Re: Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by kirtu » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:55 pm

A Rime subforum could be justified on an historic basis (so basically as a place to discuss the historic activity of Jamyang Khyentse Wango, Kongtrul and Chokgyur Lingpa and their immediate or so disciples).

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Re: Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by oldbob » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:26 am

kirtu wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:55 pm
A Rime subforum could be justified on an historic basis (so basically as a place to discuss the historic activity of Jamyang Khyentse Wango, Kongtrul and Chokgyur Lingpa and their immediate or so disciples).

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Also true and helpful.

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Re: Rime subforum in Tibetan Buddhism

Post by kalden yungdrung » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:57 pm

Tashi delek,

Good idea, to open a Rime subforum here.
It means also there is / was, sectarianism inside the Tibetan Spiritual Traditions.

Interesting to know what kind of sectarianism the Rime movement mentions and who was pro and who contra the Rime movement inside Tibet.

Guess Rime was one of the last innovations inside Tibet, before the great exodus.
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