Approaching political subjects from the wrong angle/Too much focus on politics(?)

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Approaching political subjects from the wrong angle/Too much focus on politics(?)

Post by Brunelleschi » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:54 pm

Hi all,

It seems that lately(?), there's been a lot of debates regarding current events. Whether it's Trump and the rise of right-wing extremism in the US and Europe, DAESH/ISIS/ISIL, the terrible situation for Rohyingas in Burma/Myanmar or "local" events such as the Transgender-debate in the US.

Perhaps there could be a better way of approaching this, by having a more 'Dharmic' focus. I.e. rather than just having your run of the mill political debate, why not try and approach it from a perspective more in line with the goals and objectives of this forum (as I see it), a constructive debate about Buddha Dharma, its practices and (positive) impact.

Here are two examples of books using Buddhist teachings to ameliorate our relation with our environment and patterns of consumption:

https://www.amazon.com/How-Much-Enough- ... 086171685X

https://www.amazon.com/Interconnected-E ... 1614294127

Just a suggestion. :thumbsup:

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Re: Approaching political subjects from the wrong angle/Too much focus on politics(?)

Post by Malcolm » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:56 pm

Brunelleschi wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:54 pm
Hi all,

It seems that lately(?), there's been a lot of debates regarding current events. Whether it's Trump and the rise of right-wing extremism in the US and Europe, DAESH/ISIS/ISIL, the terrible situation for Rohyingas in Burma/Myanmar or "local" events such as the Transgender-debate in the US.

Perhaps there could be a better way of approaching this, by having a more 'Dharmic' focus. I.e. rather than just having your run of the mill political debate, why not try and approach it from a perspective more in line with the goals and objectives of this forum (as I see it), a constructive debate about Buddha Dharma, its practices and (positive) impact.

Here are two examples of books using Buddhist teachings to ameliorate our relation with our environment and patterns of consumption:

https://www.amazon.com/How-Much-Enough- ... 086171685X

https://www.amazon.com/Interconnected-E ... 1614294127

Just a suggestion. :thumbsup:
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Re: Approaching political subjects from the wrong angle/Too much focus on politics(?)

Post by PuerAzaelis » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:05 pm

Brunelleschi wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:54 pm
... rather than just having your run of the mill political debate, why not try and approach it from a perspective more in line with ... Buddha Dharma ...
I'll kick things off.

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Re: Approaching political subjects from the wrong angle/Too much focus on politics(?)

Post by Ayu » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:17 am

Brunelleschi wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:54 pm
Hi all,

It seems that lately(?), there's been a lot of debates regarding current events. Whether it's Trump and the rise of right-wing extremism in the US and Europe, DAESH/ISIS/ISIL, the terrible situation for Rohyingas in Burma/Myanmar or "local" events such as the Transgender-debate in the US.

Perhaps there could be a better way of approaching this, by having a more 'Dharmic' focus. I.e. rather than just having your run of the mill political debate, why not try and approach it from a perspective more in line with the goals and objectives of this forum (as I see it), a constructive debate about Buddha Dharma, its practices and (positive) impact.

Here are two examples of books using Buddhist teachings to ameliorate our relation with our environment and patterns of consumption:

https://www.amazon.com/How-Much-Enough- ... 086171685X

https://www.amazon.com/Interconnected-E ... 1614294127

Just a suggestion. :thumbsup:
I think, this is a good suggestion. Maybe the time is not right yet though.
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Post by jkarlins » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:42 am

Interesting question, I think there a lot of possible angles. The unusual ones interest me more than the same old same old. Then again, the latter might be more compassionate, if they are true.

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Re: Approaching political subjects from the wrong angle/Too much focus on politics(?)

Post by CapNCrunch » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:49 am

Hi Brunelleschi,

I've seen the evolution of a few message boards, from cradle to grave (yes they all have a best by date and shelf life) and it's impossible to mandate the way discussion will evolve (or devolve in some cases). People participate at different times for different reasons. Active participants, especially long standing ones, can only rehash the same things for so long. The pool of people who actively participate on each forum is actually small. Many times interesting principles come from the most counter-intuitive places & discussions.

You know what they say - If you don't like what they're sayin', change the conversation!! :)

The integrity of the board is intact and conversations are taking place in the appropriate forums - Dharma-centric topics in the sub-forums devoted to different schools, and more general fellowship and conversation/debate/sharing in more informal places.

I come here most times to mine old threads for interesting topics I'm interested in, but also for fellowship in general. For many of us who are beginners it's difficult to say anything meaningful about dharma topics, and easier to opine and participate in more general conversations - I always feel more of the fellowship I seek when I'm more active and engaged, so please consider this as well.

Your sentiments are genuine, but don't worry - as long as we all do our best to practice right speech and are respectful, the principles of the dharma will always shine through and everyone can be edified.
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Re: Approaching political subjects from the wrong angle/Too much focus on politics(?)

Post by Grigoris » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:25 am

This thread tries to bring together both issues. Sucessfully? I'll leave that to you to decide.
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Post by shaunc » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:41 am

Maybe use dharmawheel to discuss dharma and go to a political forum to discuss your political views.
There's a lot of pretty smart people that don't believe that politics and religion should be combined.
I can get a political opinion anywhere, left or right wing but the reality of it is that most people's political opinions only matter once every few years.

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Post by PuerAzaelis » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:01 pm

That often?
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Post by CapNCrunch » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:16 am

Maybe use dharmawheel to discuss dharma and go to a political forum to discuss your political views. There's a lot of pretty smart people that don't believe that politics and religion should be combined.
Maybe do as you please, and I'll do the same. Participation either way isn't compulsory. I think the OP was expressing a genuine sentiment and said that - but as has been pointed out, this is a diverse forum that is well segregated into forums, so people don't have to even see anything they don't want to, or interact if they don't want to.

There are a lot of pretty smart people who don't conflate the occasional discussion of politics on a dharma forum for reasons already expressed, with combining politics and religion.
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Re: Approaching political subjects from the wrong angle/Too much focus on politics(?)

Post by Kim O'Hara » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:46 am

Brunelleschi wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:54 pm
Hi all,

It seems that lately(?), there's been a lot of debates regarding current events. Whether it's Trump and the rise of right-wing extremism in the US and Europe, DAESH/ISIS/ISIL, the terrible situation for Rohyingas in Burma/Myanmar or "local" events such as the Transgender-debate in the US.

Perhaps there could be a better way of approaching this, by having a more 'Dharmic' focus. I.e. rather than just having your run of the mill political debate, why not try and approach it from a perspective more in line with the goals and objectives of this forum (as I see it), a constructive debate about Buddha Dharma, its practices and (positive) impact.
I'm with Malcolm on this - the fact that it's a Buddhist board is enough to ensure that we get Buddhist perspectives on mundane topics.
Here are two examples of books using Buddhist teachings to ameliorate our relation with our environment and patterns of consumption:

https://www.amazon.com/How-Much-Enough- ... 086171685X

https://www.amazon.com/Interconnected-E ... 1614294127

Just a suggestion. :thumbsup:
The first of your suggestions has a lot in common with Hooked https://www.amazon.com/Hooked-Buddhist- ... ref=sr_1_1 which is very good indeed.

:namaste:
Kim

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