Or promote religion as a patriotic value.
P.S.If you don't "exist", how can *you* free Tibet?
Would that be to some degree a political act?
Or promote religion as a patriotic value.
Norwegian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:00 pm If you live in a retreat hut, far up in the desolate mountain ranges, isolated by the vastness of nature, surrounded by fresh air and blue skies, pine trees and the wind, together with animals, then that is your reality, that is how your situation is, and that is what you will have to deal with.
But if you live in society with other humans, then you are part of that society whether you like it or not (and you are certainly not living in a cave or a retreat hut.) And so you should know how to work with these circumstances, because the better you can understand these things, the better you will live your life, whatever way that may be.
So optimally speaking while living in society, perhaps you are a dedicated practitioner, which means you spend most of your time on study and practice. So how is politics then relevant for you? Perhaps it is not what you are most interested in, but nevertheless it is still important. Chances are that in your life at one point or more, you will encounter minor or major points related to politics that are highly important to you, and that means you should know a little about how these things work.
Right now in the US, as an example, something that is very important for most Americans dare I say, is the issue of gun control and gun laws. Why? Because it affects children, and it affects teenagers. It affects their parents, their families, their friends, their loved ones, and in fact it affects many people in American society, at a deeply serious level. Wanting a change here means you have to get engaged in politics, regardless of what level that may be. Because this is how change happens.
And so most of us, affected by things in daily life and society, will respond to some or more of these things with opinions and ideas that belong to the realm of politics. Being that we're social creatures, we enjoy communicating with each others. Agreeing or disagreeing, sharing viewpoints, through discussions. That includes politics.
If you dislike political discussions, simply don't read them. Don't participate in them. But don't say "I am offended", and then try to shut down others and force them to be quiet, just because you don't like what they're talking about. This is behavior worthy of being part of a dark dystopian novel.
I liked the "don't exist" sticker. It's not my car. The other sticker was in the frame.
Again with the idiot characterization? I guess you are immune . . . unlike me!kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:32 pm Yeh i see a certain majority who prefers political dirty discussions about " reality ", which would help to a better understanding about illusions and that in turn would help us in this right / left winged idiot society to survive as Buddhists ? ......
In my understanding, this is not distinct from the Dharma.kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:32 pm Here i see Dharma separated from dirty politics as beneficial.
It gives me a certain hope that you are so pure.kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:32 pm I did not say and mean that to discuss dirty politics would be forbidden, because that would be contra democratic principles and anyway impossible because we saw it already here, the democratic majority likes it so very much to discuss about dirty illusions, which outcome is always already known at before
hand.
Despite our dirtiness, I hope you will continue to participate.kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:32 pm But a political tainted new Dharma Wheel that would be the outcome, it keeps Dharma reading and discussing Buddha Dharma clean. Maybe the name should be then political dharma forum ?
arch wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:28 am
Again with the idiot characterization? I guess you are immune . . . unlike me!
Your commitment to the Dharma seems quite sincere. Here in the USA, I will vote on your behalf, and for the benefit, I hope, of all. I will drive my school bus full of students in the hope that they will make this a better world (what's left of it, if they do not become politically active) for all, but consciously to help your practice. I cannot fight for you bc I am too old. I will keep informed: NPR/Amy Goodman, Rachel Maddow, Shep Smith, Chris Wallace, Katy Tur, Ari Melber (I may learn about rap as a side benefit!), BBC America, Huffpost, Washington Post, NYT, Al Jezeera, SPLC, The Nature Conservancy (life member) . . . just some of my favorites, so many more.KY wrote:
Well does not the matter left end of the rope or right end of the rope, call it the extreme death ends which ends in extremism. So it is idiot to share one of these death ends, leads to nothing. The middle way is NOT possible in dirty politics because politics are EXTREME. I am not partaking in these extreme visions about good and wrong according dirty politics or left or right. Conclusion for me it is idiot.
Then left wing adherents are violent and the right wing too.
KY wrote:
Yes i prefer Dharma practice over political involvement and see Dharma as pure and dirty politics as the work of very evil demons. And sure i am for a better America but the USA is working out its bad karma / contribution and that all has a cause in 250 years war games etc. Sure as an individual to behave better in the States that is very ok and very sure if it is based on Dharma insights. But the majority in the states is ignorant / stupid / idiot and these people have so their private demons which are very powerful.
So therefore the outcome of American orientated dirty political discussions are known at beforehand.
To do prayers and rituals for a better America etc. that is the Buddhist way and helping (live) the poor ones in America that is another practice, but to be engaged in dirty political discussions, that does not make any sense. So to be engaged in active help that is the core and not to boost left/ right idiots and their hang to get right, but on compassion and the active help.In my understanding, this is not distinct from the Dharma.kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:32 pm Here i see Dharma separated from dirty politics as beneficial.
KY wrote:
Well we have Dharma as phenomenon or all phenomenon is Dharma
The illusion of these phenomenon
And the beings who freeze these illusions as "real" and cause suffering therefore to others, call them idiots and they defend one death end of the rope.
Then we have the persons who don`t partake in these mind games and they are imo the non idiots.
It gives me a certain hope that you are so pure.
Maybe the discussion will dispel illusion, which your clairvoyance has already "known at before hand".KY wrote:
Well i am doing my best to be as pure as possible when i am not involved in dirty frozen politics of the left / right winged idiots
Despite our dirtiness, I hope you will continue to participate.KY wrote:
At beforehand i know it where dirty political discussions will end, namely in the same , dirty things.
Out of the bin/trash can can only come out dirty things, even if we spray perfume on it.Nope no way , sorry to disappoint you. It is idiot to partake in dirty politics, it does not mean you are dirty.
Yes, that is very clear and it shows us again our personal freedom, how to interpret Dharma and Dharma.
Ditto.Simon E. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:43 am My hands ARE dirty.
I am not Realised. I eat and shit and sleep and drink and work with afflictions.
I do not live in a platonic Idealised world. I live in a world where some go hungry and some are cold and some live in fear due to political decisions made by others.
I will not walk on by on the other side while I can perhaps make a small difference.
You have indeed made your point.
And it is clearly not shared by the majority who have commented on it.
Do you think that everyone would understand how this applies, and to which specific remarks?smcj wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:04 pm You guys can go ahead and talk politics all you want. I might even join in now and then. It's part of life.
But if you do so under the battle flag of a self-righteous Dharma practitioner, expect to have the discussion identified not as a Path that ends at Enlightenment, but as a path that ends at evangelism or jihad.
Just sayin'.
As in "pure" or "dirty"?kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:31 pm
These disgusting political coverstations here aboard , i see on the level of Theravada / Sutra, the field of dualism. Therefore remarkable that Dzogchenpas are here involved, in these bad kind of dualisms and stamp the world accordingly their "opinions" about good and bad.
Pure = Buddha Dharmaarch wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:36 pmAs in "pure" or "dirty"?kalden yungdrung wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:31 pm
These disgusting political coverstations here aboard , i see on the level of Theravada / Sutra, the field of dualism. Therefore remarkable that Dzogchenpas are here involved, in these bad kind of dualisms and stamp the world accordingly their "opinions" about good and bad.
Oy! So much for "nor are they stained or pure".kalden yungdrung wrote:
Pure = Buddha Dharma
Dirty = politics / left + right winged discussions and terror and horror, as well in discussions as well on the streets.
Sometimes political action is necessary.Thank heavens for politics! Trying to take action against the horror and terror of doing absolutely nothing.
So, all our teachers are required to eliminate the problem in their own mind before they should try to guide us? Good luck with that. Living Buddhas are a bit thin on the ground.smcj wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:47 pm On Feb. 4 of this year HHK (O.T.) said, “ignorance isn’t the problem. The mind you have right now is the problem.”
A true Buddhist understands that all the appearant injustice and problems in the world are negative karmas being played out. The negative karmas come from negative actions. Negative actions come from negative emotions. Negative emotions come from wrong understanding. Wrong understanding comes from unawareness. Or, as HHK has said, the (ultimate source of) the problem is the mind you have right now.
If you eliminate the problem in your mind the world’s karmas will still play out. But you won’t be perpetuating your own further involvement with it anymore, and you will be able to guide others out of their involvement too.
All that should be assumed common understanding for a website dedicated to discussing Mahayana and Vajrayana.
But if people want to engage in idle chatter I don’t see why not—as long as the basic premise of the Mahayana and Vajrayana are not forgotten.