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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Grigoris » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:07 pm

emaho wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:56 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:45 pm
Says the person called emaho... Sigh...
dang, you're right! So sorry 'bout that. Can the mods please change my name into Tibetan letters?
Like it makes a difference...
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by emaho » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:22 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:07 pm
Like it makes a difference...
So what's your point?
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Grigoris » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:30 pm

emaho wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:22 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:07 pm
Like it makes a difference...
So what's your point?
That the whining in this thread is completely pointless.

When you use the quote function it automatically puts the user's name in the post anyway. So the user knows you are talking to them.
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by emaho » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:37 pm

@Grigoris I should have known better that talking to you is always a waste of time.
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by amanitamusc » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:47 pm

I would like to change my username to a usersound,say 3 seconds of barnyard noises.Whenever someone went onto a thread I posted
on they would here my sound and instantly know I was on that thread. :woohoo: :pig:

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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Queequeg » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:51 pm

Matt J wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:12 pm
I hate it when people say “grumpy old man” instead of curmudgeon. You kids and your lack of 16th century terms! :lol:
Queequeg wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:10 pm
The points on both sides have some merit, though, Simon (サイモン :tongue: ), you're kind of sounding like a grumpy old man.
:D
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Queequeg » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:53 pm

amanitamusc wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:47 pm
I would like to change my username to a usersound,say 3 seconds of barnyard noises.Whenever someone went onto a thread I posted
on they would here my sound and instantly know I was on that thread. :woohoo: :pig:
User sounds...
That could get quite interesting. Maybe we ought to just go 100% myspace. That would be really interesting.
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Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

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There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Simon E. » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:54 pm

I am thinking of changing my user name to £$&^@. But you can call me £ for short.
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Admin_PC » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:52 pm

First off, this isn't a public forum, it's privately owned & operated. Accounts and initial posts are subject to approval.

Second, East Asian Buddhism (for the most part) requires at least a passing recognition of important Buddhist characters in one of a number of East Asian scripts. So no, the user names are not out of place here, on a Buddhist forum with many practitioners of East Asian Traditions.

Third, you don't want to cut and paste? Fine, there's no obligation to respond to a given user. It's rather chauvinistic to assume so. There's no need to be able to pronounce a username. You don't like it, don't read it. You're free to use the "foe" option and other users who are not in violation of the ToS are under no obligation to cater to your whims.

Fourth, the complaints are almost never about Tibetan names, or names from other languages - only East Asian scripts. Why is that?

EDIT:
Don't want to continue discussion on this thread, but felt something needed to be said. What I wanted to add was that transliteration of East Asian names/words robs them of all meaning as there are TONS of homophones in East Asian languages. Also that justsit's example is clearly Chinese, which they'd get from a simple Google Translate paste. In fact pasting "高山隱士" into Google Translate will give a meaning of "Alpine Hermit", whereas Gāoshān yǐnshì (the Google-provided transliteration) gives nothing for meaning when pasted into Google translate (or anywhere else). The transliteration won't get people without a Chinese language background anywhere close to how it would actually sound either. There is really no reason to insist on alphabetic usernames outside of making the people afraid of non-alphabetic characters more comfortable. It makes even less sense when many of these usernames contain characters used for common Dharma terms (meanings that get stripped off when transliterated).

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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by emaho » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:33 am

well, if you'd actually bother to read my opening post, you would notice that it applies to usernames in Kyrillic, Greek, or Tibetan characters as well:
emaho wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:14 pm
...my suggestion is: could people with usernames that are not in the English alphabet add a transscription to their name?
besides, I'm neither whining nor complaining, but obviously this discussion doesn't make sense anymore, so I'm not going to waste any more time with it.
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Yavana » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:37 am

£$&^@ wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:54 pm
I am thinking of changing my user name to £$&^@. But you can call me £ for short.
Welcome Poundollarandcaretat! (Quite a mouthful there, Money!)

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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Admin_PC » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:14 am

emaho wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:33 am
well, if you'd actually bother to read my opening post, you would notice that it applies to usernames in Kyrillic, Greek, or Tibetan characters as well:
emaho wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:14 pm
...my suggestion is: could people with usernames that are not in the English alphabet add a transscription to their name?
besides, I'm neither whining nor complaining, but obviously this discussion doesn't make sense anymore, so I'm not going to waste any more time with it.
Yeah, but all your examples were Chinese. Regardless, in the past £$&^@ (formerly Simon E. - who I was responding to) exclusively singled out usernames in East Asian character sets repeatedly.
Nobody seems/seemed to care when the usernames were any of the following:
????
(anything with Ś, Ö, ñ, ā, é, or any other diacritic that is not part of the English alphabet).

Agreed, these threads are a waste of time.
Best to mind one's own business and not to try to force others to accommodate.

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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Caoimhghín » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:34 am

Damn, I was going to try to change my name to the love symbol or something like that. Simon beat me to it.
歸命本覺心法身常住妙法心蓮臺本來莊嚴三身徳三十七尊住心
城遠離因果法然具普門塵數諸三昧無邊徳海本圓滿還我頂禮心諸佛

In reverence for the root gnosis of the heart, the dharmakāya,
for the ever present good law of the heart, the lotus terrace,
for the inborn adornment of the trikāya, the thirty-seven sages dwelling in the heart,
for that which is removed from seed and fruit, the upright key to the universal gate,
for all boundless concentrations, the sea of virtue, the root perfection,
I prostrate, bowing to the hearts of all Buddhas.

胎藏金剛菩提心義略問答鈔, Treatise on the teaching of the gnostic heart of the womb and the diamond, T2397.1.470c5-8

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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Caoimhghín » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:37 am

Actually, could I change my username to my real name, Caoimhghín?

That'll be much easier to read.
歸命本覺心法身常住妙法心蓮臺本來莊嚴三身徳三十七尊住心
城遠離因果法然具普門塵數諸三昧無邊徳海本圓滿還我頂禮心諸佛

In reverence for the root gnosis of the heart, the dharmakāya,
for the ever present good law of the heart, the lotus terrace,
for the inborn adornment of the trikāya, the thirty-seven sages dwelling in the heart,
for that which is removed from seed and fruit, the upright key to the universal gate,
for all boundless concentrations, the sea of virtue, the root perfection,
I prostrate, bowing to the hearts of all Buddhas.

胎藏金剛菩提心義略問答鈔, Treatise on the teaching of the gnostic heart of the womb and the diamond, T2397.1.470c5-8

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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by justsit » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:16 am

Maybe the difference is that the "East Asian" languages use characters rather than letters. It's much easier for a native English speaker to try to parse a transliteration than the characters, which tell a non-East Asian speaker nothing at all - what the sounds are, the meaning, nada.

So for example, when I see 高山隱士, I read it __________. Is this a person's name? No idea what language it even is - Korean, Japanese, Chinese?? It feels somehow like I'm being disrespectful.

Yes, the same goes for Tibetan, although I'm not as clueless with Cyrillic or Greek, as I have some experience with them.

It seems to me that in the interest of friendly clear communication, having the characters also translated to English letters would be helpful, especially since cutting and pasting into some translation programs yields poor results. At least we could try sounding it out and maybe learn a little bit. 朋友= Péngyǒu = friend (or at least that's what Google translate says :smile: )

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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Caoimhghín » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:24 am

The above is true, but presumes that names will be spelled even slightly how they are pronounced.

Caoimhghín is pronounced vaguely like "Keeveen."
Bstan 'dzin rgya mtsho is pronounced vaguely like "Tenzin Gyatso."
Guillaume is pronounced vaguely like "Gee-om."

The list goes on.

Sometimes people pronounce their name right to your face but their language is full of sounds you have simply never had to make with your mouth and you approximate it the best you can (wrongly) with whatever phonetics your mouth has been trained to correspond to in making words since birth.
歸命本覺心法身常住妙法心蓮臺本來莊嚴三身徳三十七尊住心
城遠離因果法然具普門塵數諸三昧無邊徳海本圓滿還我頂禮心諸佛

In reverence for the root gnosis of the heart, the dharmakāya,
for the ever present good law of the heart, the lotus terrace,
for the inborn adornment of the trikāya, the thirty-seven sages dwelling in the heart,
for that which is removed from seed and fruit, the upright key to the universal gate,
for all boundless concentrations, the sea of virtue, the root perfection,
I prostrate, bowing to the hearts of all Buddhas.

胎藏金剛菩提心義略問答鈔, Treatise on the teaching of the gnostic heart of the womb and the diamond, T2397.1.470c5-8

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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Grigoris » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:20 am

£$&^@ wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:54 pm
I am thinking of changing my user name to £$&^@. But you can call me £ for short.
Can I call you "idiotic pain in the ass" for short? :tongue:
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Caoimhghín » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:26 am

:stirthepot:
When did the moderation get so sassy?

It's like the Roast of Alan Watts in here.
:spy:
歸命本覺心法身常住妙法心蓮臺本來莊嚴三身徳三十七尊住心
城遠離因果法然具普門塵數諸三昧無邊徳海本圓滿還我頂禮心諸佛

In reverence for the root gnosis of the heart, the dharmakāya,
for the ever present good law of the heart, the lotus terrace,
for the inborn adornment of the trikāya, the thirty-seven sages dwelling in the heart,
for that which is removed from seed and fruit, the upright key to the universal gate,
for all boundless concentrations, the sea of virtue, the root perfection,
I prostrate, bowing to the hearts of all Buddhas.

胎藏金剛菩提心義略問答鈔, Treatise on the teaching of the gnostic heart of the womb and the diamond, T2397.1.470c5-8

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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Grigoris » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:31 am

Caoimhghín wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:26 am
:stirthepot:
When did the moderation get so sassy?

It's like the Roast of Alan Watts in here.
:spy:
You have to admit that this has probably been one of the dumbest and most pointless discussions, with the most idiotic conclusions, that has occurred around here for some time now.

Half the people complaining, do all their practices in a language they can neither read nor understand and even with transliteration cannot pronounce properly.

Guess what people? Not everybody in this world has an English language name, not all words can be translated into English and not all language sounds even exist in English.

This world does not exist just for Anglophones. Suck it up and move on.
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Re: Readability of Usernames

Post by Grigoris » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:12 am

emaho wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:37 pm
@Grigoris I should have known better that talking to you is always a waste of time.
Always is a bit of an exaggeration. Most of the time? Okay. Quite often? Mmmmmm... you're onto something there. But surely not ALWAYS a waste of time! :tongue:
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