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Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by pemachophel » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:02 am

I think it would be courteous of the administrators to PM anyone whose message they have deleted explaining the reason for the deletion. That way the poster would know what they should not do or say in the future.
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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:03 am

pemachophel wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:02 am
I think it would be courteous of the administrators to PM anyone whose message they have deleted explaining the reason for the deletion. That way the poster would know what they should not do or say in the future.
We try to, but it doesn't always happen. In the meantime you can always pm one of us and ask.
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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by smcj » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:50 am

Sometimes the only thing wrong is the post you’re replying to. They might have to scrub a whole page to get all the references to that one post.
https://soundcloud.com/user-730689343/chenrezig-puja
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by Fortyeightvows » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:03 am

Pretty sure that there will be alot less posts getting deleted now.

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by rose » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:07 pm

Hi pemachophel,
pemachophel wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:02 am
I think it would be courteous of the administrators to PM anyone whose message they have deleted explaining the reason for the deletion. That way the poster would know what they should not do or say in the future.
I agree courtesy is beneficial when actions like post removal have been performed. Sometimes it is more time efficient to leave a mod note in the topic, especially if several posts have been removed and the posts are, for example, "off topic". Individual posters have been contacted by my predecessors via PM with an explanation and suggestions as to how to get a point across without contravening Dharma Wheel's Posting Rules. Sometimes failures occur. I will endeavour to make sure posters are contacted regarding post removal.

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by seeker242 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:00 pm

I agree. It's quite rude to delete a post and not say anything to anyone about it, especially so when the post does not violate any of the boards rules.
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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by Queequeg » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:05 pm

We don't arbitrarily remove posts. If its removed, there is a reason. It may not have been communicated, and that ought to be addressed.

Confession - I have been less than meticulous in observing the procedures at times. The instances I can recall now have involved disruptive activity by some members here who are not in MU because their record doesn't compel it. We removed the disruptive trigger and everything that flowed from there. I realize it does leave people hanging in the wind when those discussions just disappear...

Most messages that are removed are archived. I can tell you, that archive is a shit show. You have no idea.

If you have a specific post in mind, please bring it to our attention and we will gladly reconsider its removal.
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Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:13 am

I'm not gonna deny it, In hindsight i've been a hypocrite before, moving things based on them violating the ToS only to commit the same infraction myself in a heated debate, but I haven't done it often, and I endeavor to be that guy as infrequently as I can. I don't remember moving anything recently other than the Daniel P. Brown pointing out thread, and I left an explanation there as to why. I've been here five years or something, bound to be some mistakes and missteps.

If you feel like I've done it to you (or anyone else has) you can always PM one of us about it, or formally do the ToS appeal procedures - as QQ says.

I can tell you every time someone has brought one of these up, the team has formally debated the action. believe it or not we critique one another when appropriate and do our best to be fair.
"...if you think about how many hours, months and years of your life you've spent looking at things, being fascinated by things that have now passed away, then how wonderful to spend even five minutes looking into the nature of your own mind."

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by smcj » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:22 am

I can tell you, that archive is a shit show. You have no idea.
Lol, getting to read that is the only thing that ever made me at all interested in moderating.
https://soundcloud.com/user-730689343/chenrezig-puja
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by Fortyeightvows » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:34 am

smcj wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:22 am
I can tell you, that archive is a shit show. You have no idea.
Lol, getting to read that is the only thing that ever made me at all interested in moderating.
I’ve said the same thing before!

Also smcj, it really makes me happy how much you enjoy the story I shared!

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by smcj » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:12 pm

Fortyeightvows wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:34 am
smcj wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:22 am
I can tell you, that archive is a shit show. You have no idea.
Lol, getting to read that is the only thing that ever made me at all interested in moderating.
I’ve said the same thing before!

Also smcj, it really makes me happy how much you enjoy the story I shared!
Are you the one that shared the story I quote in my signature about the student and his lama? In all seriousness that’s the most beneficial thing I’ve gotten from my DW participation. Trying to grok that perspective stretches my understanding of what Refuge is all about. It simply will not fit into my mundane and pedestrian world view. Talk about going beyond “causes and conditions”!

I’d forgotten who shared it. Now I’m going to go edit my signature so I can properly attribute it. Thanks!

BTW, which lama said it? I’d like to go study with him!
https://soundcloud.com/user-730689343/chenrezig-puja
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by haha » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:16 am

Queequeg wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:05 pm

Most messages that are removed are archived.
Are "self-deleted posts" archived?

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by Ayu » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:10 pm

haha wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:16 am
Queequeg wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:05 pm

Most messages that are removed are archived.
Are "self-deleted posts" archived?

No. Deleted post cannot be restored. And we cannot read them after you deleted it..

The posts we want to keep for the record are not deleted. They are moved to a place called Bardo. Only mods and Admins have access.
For the benefit and ease of all sentient beings. :heart:

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by tkp67 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:41 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:13 am
I can tell you every time someone has brought one of these up, the team has formally debated the action. believe it or not we critique one another when appropriate and do our best to be fair.
Credit most certainly deserves to be given here as this is as fair as anyone could hope. I also imagine it also requires a commitment of time, energy and most importantly conscious. Can't be easy in these context.

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Re: Explanation for Deleted Posts

Post by haha » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:56 pm

Ayu wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:10 pm
haha wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:16 am
Queequeg wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:05 pm

Most messages that are removed are archived.
Are "self-deleted posts" archived?

No. Deleted post cannot be restored. And we cannot read them after you deleted it..

The posts we want to keep for the record are not deleted. They are moved to a place called Bardo. Only mods and Admins have access.
Thank you for providing clarity on this matter.
:anjali:

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