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Rev. Eijo has provided me with a few links to some material I found helpful, maybe you will as well:

Chinese, Sanskrit and English translation (Line by Line):
http://ckc.eduhk.hk:8080/jsl29/1

Access the Sanskrit and Chinese Original here:
https://upayakusala.blogspot.com/2012/1 ... _1690.html
http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gre ... kobhau.htm

He also sent through .txt files of the original Sanskrit (Latin characters) and Chinese. If you would like those, please contact me.

I've already shared links to the Kosa Study blog, but it's pretty handy too: https://abhidharmakosa.wordpress.com/
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Started posting, but this is not going to work.

We 100% need a dedicated sub-forum.

Only members of the book club should be allowed to post in the sub-form. This will lighten the load on moderators as they won't have to verify each post. It will also stop "drive by posters" too. Anybody can apply to become a member, but they have to register first and agree to the rules.

I would be happy to be admin of (just) the specific sub-forum.

I don't think it will need much in the way of moderation.
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Greg - is the new thread you started on this only open to those who signed up for the book club?
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PeterC wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:33 pm Greg - is the new thread you started on this only open to those who signed up for the book club?
When you mean only open, do you mean can only view? Only post? or both?
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jake wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:42 pm
PeterC wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:33 pm Greg - is the new thread you started on this only open to those who signed up for the book club?
When you mean only open, do you mean can only view? Only post? or both?
I thought the plan was to have a closed forum for this?
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PeterC wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:33 pm Greg - is the new thread you started on this only open to those who signed up for the book club?
No, it is open to everybody but the posts/replies need moderator approval.

I will be starting on the Dhatunirdesa section soon.

As you can see though, we basically need a new topic for each discussion and soon, when people start replying, topics will start moving up and down and the sequence will be lost.

This needs it's own sub-forum and each topic needs to be pinned so that it remains in order/sequence.

If people start posting replies in the unrelated threads and/or add new threads of their own it will be a disaster for the Book Club discussion.
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FYI, we are working on setting up a dedicated sub. Rose went to sleep, but will work on it in the morning.

I like Greg's suggestion to have membership in the sub. That will take care of limiting posts.

Standby. We will get this up soon.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
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Book Club is up and running. Still working the kinks out so please bear with us. If you notice any glitches, let us know!
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta
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Where is it? I saw the introduction of the book club, but can't find it anywhere.
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zerwe wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:15 am Where is it? I saw the introduction of the book club, but can't find it anywhere.
Shaun :namaste:
Starts here viewtopic.php?f=133&t=33923 and then there is b and c.

This weekend I will put up my summary and notes of the first chapter on the rupa.
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I assume we can use this thread for general logistics. Greg, thank you very much for the engaging three posts and the discussions around that. I continue to visit those posts and the texts we read as I percolate.

I'm wondering, what is the next milestone? Suggestions? I find having a set timetable helps me to divide up the reading and gives me something towards which I can strive.
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jake wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:10 pm I assume we can use this thread for general logistics. Greg, thank you very much for the engaging three posts and the discussions around that. I continue to visit those posts and the texts we read as I percolate.

I'm wondering, what is the next milestone? Suggestions? I find having a set timetable helps me to divide up the reading and gives me something towards which I can strive.
I have my notes ready for the rupa section for two weeks now, but had a really busy week and spent the weekend vegetating. :smile:

Well, not exactly vegetating.

I finished the yidam accumulations I had been doing over the past 3 years. Coincided with Dakini day (last weekend). Tsok and fire puja and...

Then this week Medicine Buddha fell on the weekend...

And to cap it all off I have started a new round of ngondro accumulations in the Dudjom tersar tradition. :twothumbsup:
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Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
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For those of you with the Sangpo edition perhaps someone could help me? I'll admit that I'm far from skilled in this more serious study and have been really struggling to understand the notations in Sangpo.

On page 333, in Note 49. He writes:
For the doctrinal perspective sasrava-anasrava in regard to the eighteen elements (dhatu), see i. 31cd. For a discussion of the three fluxes, see v. 35-36; for an explanation of the term asrava, see v. 40.
What on earth/where on earth is: i. 31cd or v. 35-36? or v. 40?
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jake wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:31 pm For those of you with the Sangpo edition perhaps someone could help me? I'll admit that I'm far from skilled in this more serious study and have been really struggling to understand the notations in Sangpo.

On page 333, in Note 49. He writes:
For the doctrinal perspective sasrava-anasrava in regard to the eighteen elements (dhatu), see i. 31cd. For a discussion of the three fluxes, see v. 35-36; for an explanation of the term asrava, see v. 40.
What on earth/where on earth is: i. 31cd or v. 35-36? or v. 40?
Page 262 looks like it might correspond with the citation "31cd."
savi saghara aṇica di, savi saghara dukha di, savi dhama aṇatva di:
yada paśadi cakhkṣuma tada nivinadi dukha eṣo mago viśodhia.

"All formations are inconstant," he said.
"All formations are stressful," he said.
"All phenomena are selfless," he said.
When one sees this, one becomes adverse to stress, and this is the path of purity.

(Gāndhārī Dharmapada fragments)
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jake wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:31 pm For those of you with the Sangpo edition perhaps someone could help me? I'll admit that I'm far from skilled in this more serious study and have been really struggling to understand the notations in Sangpo.

On page 333, in Note 49. He writes:
For the doctrinal perspective sasrava-anasrava in regard to the eighteen elements (dhatu), see i. 31cd. For a discussion of the three fluxes, see v. 35-36; for an explanation of the term asrava, see v. 40.
What on earth/where on earth is: i. 31cd or v. 35-36? or v. 40?
1.31 = chapter one, verse 31, lines 3 and 4; v.35-36 means chapter five (in volume three), verses 35-36. etc.
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Malcolm wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:36 pm
jake wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:31 pm For those of you with the Sangpo edition perhaps someone could help me? I'll admit that I'm far from skilled in this more serious study and have been really struggling to understand the notations in Sangpo.

On page 333, in Note 49. He writes:
For the doctrinal perspective sasrava-anasrava in regard to the eighteen elements (dhatu), see i. 31cd. For a discussion of the three fluxes, see v. 35-36; for an explanation of the term asrava, see v. 40.
What on earth/where on earth is: i. 31cd or v. 35-36? or v. 40?
1.31 = chapter one, verse 31, lines 3 and 4; v.35-36 means chapter five (in volume three), verses 35-36. etc.
Those pesky Roman numerals? Is v the "five" or the first letter in "verse?"
savi saghara aṇica di, savi saghara dukha di, savi dhama aṇatva di:
yada paśadi cakhkṣuma tada nivinadi dukha eṣo mago viśodhia.

"All formations are inconstant," he said.
"All formations are stressful," he said.
"All phenomena are selfless," he said.
When one sees this, one becomes adverse to stress, and this is the path of purity.

(Gāndhārī Dharmapada fragments)
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Malcolm wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:36 pm
jake wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:31 pm For those of you with the Sangpo edition perhaps someone could help me? I'll admit that I'm far from skilled in this more serious study and have been really struggling to understand the notations in Sangpo.

On page 333, in Note 49. He writes:
For the doctrinal perspective sasrava-anasrava in regard to the eighteen elements (dhatu), see i. 31cd. For a discussion of the three fluxes, see v. 35-36; for an explanation of the term asrava, see v. 40.
What on earth/where on earth is: i. 31cd or v. 35-36? or v. 40?
1.31 = chapter one, verse 31, lines 3 and 4; v.35-36 means chapter five (in volume three), verses 35-36. etc.
Thank you very much, you've made my day.
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Will finish uploading the last of my notes tomorrow.

Lessons learned:

We need to keep each section short. Gives us enough time to read and upload notes PLUS it gives us more of an opportunity to discuss in depth.

The discussion was split among too many topics and I could not keep up. I still have things to add to earlier discussions, but don't have the time as I have to upload notes and read/respond to the newer discussions too.
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Yep. We have no schedule so let's take it as slow as we need. There will probably be sections that don't need to much discuy and some will need a lot.

Awesome job so far, Greg.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta
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Queequeg wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:57 am Yep. We have no schedule so let's take it as slow as we need.
Ditto
Queequeg wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:57 am Awesome job so far, Greg.
Yes, seconded. Thank you for taking the lead.
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