Poem from Gendun Chopel

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Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by veggiepeace » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:09 pm

Antic Charade



No matter where, no matter who,

In Calcutta, Nepal or Beijing

Or in Lhasa in the land of snow mountains,

When I look at them like this,

For me, all people behave the same way

At the sight of tea, butter or clothes.

Even those who do not like noise and chatter

Who are calm and civil,

Think of nothing else than an old sinner.

The proud noble rogues love adulation and flattery,

And the people love skulduggery and trickery.

The youth loves the play and the joys of love,

Almost everyone now loves beer and tobacco.

People are attached to their families,

Hate and reject anyone who comes from elsewhere.

For me, the raw nature of every human being is like an ox!

Because of their reputation, they make a pilgrimage to Tsari.

They practice the difficult mastery of cold and heat,

To earn her food.

They recite Buddha’s word against payment.

If you think about it clearly,

Everything happens only for profit.

For me, hats, robes, flags and canopies,

Sacrificial cake, food and drink offerings,

All the rites that we perform

Nothing but a splendid charade.

Although there is no luck,

Neither in the valley nor on top of the summit,

We have no choice but to stay on this earth

Like in a stable or dog kennel,

Until this deceptive body of flesh and blood disappears.

Oh! So much frankness will be sure to offend everyone! from one who bears the name Dharma (chö).


Gendun Chopel (1936)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendün_Chöphel
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Re: Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by PuerAzaelis » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:43 pm

veggiepeace wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:09 pm
The youth loves the play and the joys of love,

Almost everyone now loves beer ...
Ah, suffering.
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Generally, enjoyment of speech is the gateway to poor [results]. So it becomes the foundation for generating all negative emotional states. Jampel Pawo, The Certainty of the Diamond Mind

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Re: Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by veggiepeace » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:42 pm

...poor you, with such an appearance on the surface it's understandable, though
there is more to it than the surface, so stay tuned...
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Re: Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by PuerAzaelis » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:48 pm

veggiepeace wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:42 pm
...poor you, with such a face it's understandable though
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Generally, enjoyment of speech is the gateway to poor [results]. So it becomes the foundation for generating all negative emotional states. Jampel Pawo, The Certainty of the Diamond Mind

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Post by veggiepeace » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:51 pm

wow, that looks reeeaaaalllly UGLY,

like a mad, angry person.

VERY mad, VERY angry.


What else?
That's all?
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Re: Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by veggiepeace » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:08 pm

I mean that's all there is
as response to the poem from gendun chopel?

Or did the poem trigger a kind of "personal" attack?

If so, then why ? ?

Honestly, I am a bit shocked, despite of my "cool" reaction above !!!
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Re: Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by PuerAzaelis » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:16 pm

veggiepeace wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:08 pm
Honestly, I am a bit shocked, despite of my "cool" reaction above !!!
Me too.

It's a shocking poem.
veggiepeace wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:09 pm
Even those who do not like noise and chatter

Who are calm and civil,

Think of nothing else than an old sinner.

The proud noble rogues love adulation and flattery,

And the people love skulduggery and trickery.
Generally, enjoyment of speech is the gateway to poor [results]. So it becomes the foundation for generating all negative emotional states. Jampel Pawo, The Certainty of the Diamond Mind

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Re: Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by SunWuKong » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:42 am

PuerAzaelis wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:16 pm
veggiepeace wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:08 pm
Honestly, I am a bit shocked, despite of my "cool" reaction above !!!
Me too.

It's a shocking poem.
veggiepeace wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:09 pm
Even those who do not like noise and chatter

Who are calm and civil,

Think of nothing else than an old sinner.

The proud noble rogues love adulation and flattery,

And the people love skulduggery and trickery.
It's the human condition, why does it seem shocking? Are we supposed to pretend otherwise? For what reason? It is what it is. And he is forced to love and accept it anyway LOL
"Cast off body and mind" (身心脱落 shēn xīn tuō luò)

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Re: Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by PuerAzaelis » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:18 am

SunWuKong wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:42 am
It is what it is.
:good:
Generally, enjoyment of speech is the gateway to poor [results]. So it becomes the foundation for generating all negative emotional states. Jampel Pawo, The Certainty of the Diamond Mind

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Re: Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by madhusudan » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:41 am

I liked it. No need for rose glasses.

Maybe my reading is off, but to me it seems that he states that this is all from a certain perspective: "When I look at them like this,"

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Re: Poem from Gendun Chopel

Post by SunWuKong » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:20 am

there is a tone of bitterness, but whats notable about this assessment is that he successfully takes inventory of the human condition, No harm no foul.
"Cast off body and mind" (身心脱落 shēn xīn tuō luò)

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