Chogyam Trungpa

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Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
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You could do worse than reading the article on Wikipedia about him, and then following up on the references it provides.
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There is plenty about on internet.
This short talk can help, not only to get an idea, but also an important point:
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I was his student for 16 years.

But I will leave the thread to the experts.

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Simon E. wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:54 am I was his student for 16 years.

But I will leave the thread to the experts.

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Please don't. I was waiting for your reply. :smile:
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muni wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:48 am There is plenty about on internet.
This short talk can help, not only to get an idea, but also an important point:
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Oh look, another CTR thread, how exciting! :roll:
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HandsomeMonkeyking wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
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PeterC wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
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Oh please, not again. Ancient news. That subject has been discussed ad nauseam in any number of threads.
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boda wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Why would a non Buddhist care anyway?Unless your are just :stirthepot:
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It's continually rehashed because as Merlin says, "It is the doom of men that they forget."

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boda wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Sure, let’s do proof-by-anecdote.

Of course he was ‘just bad’. That’s why you need to look at a sample.

But I agree with justsit. This topic has been discussed so many times, another discussion will not add anything.
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PeterC wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:34 am
boda wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm

This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Sure, let’s do proof-by-anecdote.

Of course he was ‘just bad’. That’s why you need to look at a sample.

But I agree with justsit. This topic has been discussed so many times, another discussion will not add anything.
Proof of what? You claimed that any understanding needs to start with his students, so I started with the principle student.
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boda wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Buddha also had Devadatta as a student. Can't blame everything on the teacher.
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MiphamFan wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:40 am
boda wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm

This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Buddha also had Devadatta as a student. Can't blame everything on the teacher.
It was PeterC’s claim that to understand what Trungpa did we need to start with his students, so I pointed out his principal student. This is the beginning our our understanding, according to PeterC.
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MiphamFan wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:40 am Buddha also had Devadatta as a student. Can't blame everything on the teacher.
That's an irksome comparison. Something gets very distorted to make that work. Trungpa = Shakyamuni? Recklessly spreading the HIV = schism?

I don't think you really want to stand by that comparison.
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In the wake of the recent Oxfam sexual abuse scandal, now is the time to report any hard evidence of abuse to the Charities Commission in the UK involving any religious organisation which has charitable status.

They simply dare not ignore it, and Govt. is about to make a great show of exposing it too - a vote winner for sure.

I can think of at least one 'charity' where allegations of sexual abuse should be raised by those with evidence, to save others from the cult.
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I think Mantrik's point was the most relevant and the only thing of value that could come after beating this dead horse once again.

The OP can do a site search and find all the info they need on the subject.

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