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Socialism & Communism

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Fri May 19, 2017 11:12 pm

For those who prefer videos to texts, ponder (not react immediately, if possible) on these offerings:

https://www.youtube.com/user/VOCvideos
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Malcolm » Fri May 19, 2017 11:20 pm

Nicholas Weeks wrote:For those who prefer videos to texts, ponder (not react immediately, if possible) on these offerings:

https://www.youtube.com/user/VOCvideos



Oh for lord's sake man. You're still fighting the cold war.
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Norwegian » Sat May 20, 2017 12:46 am

Nicholas Weeks, I have a very good book recommendation for you, related to this topic. You'll find it quite relevant and up to date for your interests:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0870212400/

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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sat May 20, 2017 12:49 am

Malcolm wrote:
Nicholas Weeks wrote:For those who prefer videos to texts, ponder (not react immediately, if possible) on these offerings:

https://www.youtube.com/user/VOCvideos


Oh for lord's sake man. You're still fighting the cold war.


For goodness sake, you really think it ended? The secular ideologues of much of the Left still prefer political so-called solutions to try and fix samsara.
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby dharmagoat » Sat May 20, 2017 12:52 am

Nicholas Weeks wrote:The secular ideologues of much of the Left still prefer political so-called solutions to try and fix samsara.

We have brakes. Do we leave it to spin wildly?

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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sat May 20, 2017 12:56 am

dharmagoat wrote:
Nicholas Weeks wrote:The secular ideologues of much of the Left still prefer political so-called solutions to try and fix samsara.

What else? Do we leave it to rot?


No, advocate and inspire people to ignore materialistic cravings. Instead turn them toward living the buddhadharma.
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Malcolm » Sat May 20, 2017 12:57 am

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Nicholas Weeks wrote:For those who prefer videos to texts, ponder (not react immediately, if possible) on these offerings:

https://www.youtube.com/user/VOCvideos


Oh for lord's sake man. You're still fighting the cold war.


For goodness sake, you really think it ended? The secular ideologues of much of the Left still prefer political so-called solutions to try and fix samsara.



You prefer the Christocratic Right?
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Malcolm » Sat May 20, 2017 12:58 am

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:
Nicholas Weeks wrote:The secular ideologues of much of the Left still prefer political so-called solutions to try and fix samsara.

What else? Do we leave it to rot?


No, advocate and inspire people to ignore materialistic cravings. Instead turn them toward living the buddhadharma.


Oh yes, and throwing in your lot with Fundamentalist Christians Like Pence is really going to advance that agenda...
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Malcolm » Sat May 20, 2017 12:59 am

Nicholas Weeks wrote:For goodness sake, you really think it ended?


Definitely. Capitalism won.
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sat May 20, 2017 12:59 am

Norwegian wrote:Nicholas Weeks, I have a very good book recommendation for you, related to this topic. You'll find it quite relevant and up to date for your interests:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0870212400/


Thanks for the suggestion, but I am less concerned about military conflict than the soft socialism that the New Left promoted.

Try this small, yet potent work by a Eastern European who knows the power of the totalitarian Left is still strong and growing:

https://www.amazon.com/Demon-Democracy-Totalitarian-Temptations-Societies/dp/1594038635/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1495238011&sr=1-1&keywords=demon+in+democracy
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sat May 20, 2017 1:00 am

Malcolm wrote:
Nicholas Weeks wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:What else? Do we leave it to rot?


No, advocate and inspire people to ignore materialistic cravings. Instead turn them toward living the buddhadharma.


Oh yes, and throwing in your lot with Fundamentalist Christians Like Pence is really going to advance that agenda...


Ho Hum - straw man again...
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby DGA » Sat May 20, 2017 1:03 am

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Nicholas Weeks wrote:For those who prefer videos to texts, ponder (not react immediately, if possible) on these offerings:

https://www.youtube.com/user/VOCvideos


Oh for lord's sake man. You're still fighting the cold war.


For goodness sake, you really think it ended? The secular ideologues of much of the Left still prefer political so-called solutions to try and fix samsara.


Those Godless secularists! Convincing the children that the earth is round, that Creation is a lie and your uncle is an ape, that surgeons should wash their hands... Left unchecked, they'll end slavery, give women the vote, stop child labor, and they won't stop there!

<pearls clutched>

WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???

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Postby DGA » Sat May 20, 2017 1:07 am

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:
Nicholas Weeks wrote:The secular ideologues of much of the Left still prefer political so-called solutions to try and fix samsara.

What else? Do we leave it to rot?


No, advocate and inspire people to ignore materialistic cravings. Instead turn them toward living the buddhadharma.


One thing I like about living and practicing Dharma in the USA is that I am free to do so. We have freedom of conscience here and it is excellent. Want to practice Dharma? Go for it, man. That is a strength.

You seem to propose some kind of Dharmic theocracy in which Buddhist practice is mandated from the top down. Be honest with yourself: who would that convince? How effective would that be?

If we want to promote Dharma, we must do so through our actions: how we treat our neighbors, how we contribute to our society. Not by giving orders or castigating straw-man communists like it's 1951.

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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sat May 20, 2017 1:11 am

dga: You seem to propose some kind of Dharmic theocracy...


Not at all, never have I written such nonsense.

Straw men and red herrings, pitiable retorts.
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Malcolm » Sat May 20, 2017 3:54 am

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Nicholas Weeks wrote:
No, advocate and inspire people to ignore materialistic cravings. Instead turn them toward living the buddhadharma.


Oh yes, and throwing in your lot with Fundamentalist Christians Like Pence is really going to advance that agenda...


Ho Hum - straw man again...


No, this is what conservatism means now, guns and Jesus.
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby conebeckham » Sat May 20, 2017 3:58 am

Malcolm wrote:
Nicholas Weeks wrote:For goodness sake, you really think it ended?


Definitely. Capitalism won.



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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Grigoris » Sat May 20, 2017 8:22 am

There is an alternative:

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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby tingdzin » Sat May 20, 2017 3:30 pm

I don't care if a cat is black or brown, as long as it catches mice. Unfortunately, neither capitalism nor socialism has proven to be worth a damn in that respect.

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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby Malcolm » Sat May 20, 2017 4:32 pm

tingdzin wrote:I don't care if a cat is black or brown, as long as it catches mice. Unfortunately, neither capitalism nor socialism has proven to be worth a damn in that respect.



Yes, and then there is the fact that neither system is ecologically rational.
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Postby PuerAzaelis » Sat May 20, 2017 4:52 pm

It's taken me many years Malcolm but slowly I'm getting turned on to the deep ecology idea. This seems to be the only horse in the race which is not just another system of grasping.

I still don't think anyone can crusade under any of these flags however. It may be possible to try to persuade someone of the virtue of applying the brakes. But then, when that does not work, exit the vehicle. Will samsara ever really end?
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