Self-Immolation of Falun Gong Practitioners: A Staged Event?

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Self-Immolation of Falun Gong Practitioners: A Staged Event?

Postby Dharma Flower » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:22 am

There are good reasons to believe that the self-immolation event in Tienanmen Square in 2001 was staged by the Chinese government to discredit the otherwise peaceful Falun Gong as an extremist group:

False Fire, a NTDTV attempt to deconstruct the event[41] points out several inconsistencies in the Chinese Government's version of the story, including:[8][42]

Liu Chunling, the only self-immolator who died on the spot appears to fall from being bludgeoned on the head by a man in military suit. The programme argues that Liu could have died from a severe blow to the head.

The self immolators appear to be wearing several layers of, possibly fire-protective, clothing and masks. The hair and bottle of gasoline at the feet of an alleged self-immolator are intact, although this should have caught fire first.

Police, who normally are not known to carry fire extinguishers on duty, appeared to have used almost 25 pieces of fire-fighting equipment on hand on the day of the self-immolations. The nearest building is 10 minutes away and footage shows that only two police vehicles were at the scene. The flames were put out in less than a minute's time.

The camera of the CCTV footage zooms in on the scene as it unfolds; surveillance cameras in Tiananmen Square are usually fixed.

Wang Jindong shouts comments that do not form part of Falun Dafa teachings; his posture, including hand position and sitting position, does not reflect the full or half lotus position required in Falun Dafa exercises.

The hospital treatment of the victims, as recorded by Chinese state media, is inconsistent with proper care of severe burn victims: for instance, patients were not kept in sterile rooms.

The girl who allegedly underwent a tracheotomy appeared to be able to speak and sing clearly mere days after the surgery.
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By number of adherents, Falun Gong is arguably the most persecuted Buddhist group in the world. While some might disagree with labeling Falun Gong as a Buddhist group, they draw enough from the Buddha's teachings as to deserve our concern and sympathy.

The above-mentioned 12-year-old girl died under mysterious circumstances:

A 12 year-old girl died in the self-immolation incident. The Focus Interview program on CCTV showed her singing and talking to a reporter shortly after surgery on her trachea. The true cause of her death was never disclosed.
The Committee has obtained information from medical staff who treated Liu Siying at the Jishuitan Hospital. "Liu Siying died suddenly at a time when her burns were more or less healed, her health had basically recovered, and she was ready to be discharged from the hospital. The cause of her death is very suspicious." In the days right before she died, including Friday, March 16th, 2001, one day before her death, Liu Siying's electrocardiogram (EKG) and other tests all showed normal results. Then, on Saturday, March 17th, 2001, between 11:00 A.M. and noon, doctors suddenly discovered that Liu Siying was in critical condition. She died shortly after. Hospital staff report that between 8:00 and 9:00 that same morning, the heads of the Jishuitan Hospital and the Beijing Medical Administration Division paid a visit to Liu Siying in her hospital room and talked to her for quite a long time. "At that time, Liu Siying was still quite animated and active," the staff members reported. The autopsy of Liu Siying took place at the Jishuitan Hospital, but the autopsy report was issued by the Emergency Center. The autopsy report was not disclosed to the Liu Siying's doctors. The hospital released only a general statement that her death was likely due to problems with her myocardium. Another questionable part of the story is that Liu Siying was able to sing out loud for a CCTV interview, just after her trachea had been cut open. A doctor at the Jishuitan Hospital commented that, "It wasn't possible for Liu Siying's voice to be that loud and clear. It seems that CCTV did something there."


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Re: Self-Immolation of Falun Gong Practitioners: A Staged Event?

Postby Grigoris » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:38 am

Dharma Flower wrote:By number of adherents, Falun Gong is arguably the most persecuted Buddhist group in the world. While some might disagree with labeling Falun Gong as a Buddhist group, they draw enough from the Buddha's teachings as to deserve our concern and sympathy.
Whereas if they were not nominally Buddhist we shouldn't give a shit?
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Re: Self-Immolation of Falun Gong Practitioners: A Staged Event?

Postby Lobsang Chojor » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:09 am

A few years ago I was at Caernarfon Castle where there was an exhibition on Falun Gong, it shown images of the torture they suffered and some religious images. It really shocked me as at that point I'd read of the torture they, along with Tibetans and other minorities, endured but I'd never seen an example or a photograph.

I personally wouldn't call them Buddhists, even they mix some Buddhist teachings with Taoism. But like anyone who is persecuted over their beliefs we should care, be them Tibetan, Uyghur, a Falun Gong practicioner, Rohingya Muslims, and obviously there are so many more.
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Re: Self-Immolation of Falun Gong Practitioners: A Staged Event?

Postby Ayu » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:09 am

It's difficult to discuss this topic without real genuine sources.
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