And yes, listening to another person's problems, issues, difficulties in their own words is the simplest way to understand. I'm truly astounded at the lack of compassion people here are showing
I don't believe me or anyone else is "deflecting" or ignoring someone based on voicing of their opinions (particularly when those leveling this claims have NO IDEA the kind of life I or anyone else has lived, nor my or anyone else's experiences with the subjects of the thread), and I find it very hard to listen to anyone who is posting what amounts to a justification for ignoring all opinions but their own, based on their own subjective analysis of what is going on in the minds of other people.
If someone won't tackle the subjects in the thread
, rather than a veiled attempt to pass judgement on other personalities
in the thread, I don't see a reason to pay much attention, that is not particularly adult behavior, and it doesn't deserve much notice, IMO of course. I am sorry that some people perceive a lack of compassion, I wish that wasn't so, and I hope there is compassion here for such an important subject. I am not sure what an outpouring of compassion is supposed to look like in a thread on these subjects though...I would think that simple acknowledgment of the problems, and interest in solutions, is a start - and that has been there with the majority of the participants in the thread. I'm sorry if that seems harsh, but I do feel that screaming from the sidelines about being ignored simply because someone disagrees is not reasonable behavior...unless of course, someone wants to point out how
they are actually being ignored, then maybe there's something for the people being accused of the ignoring to work with, otherwise it's just a personal swipe essentially.
So let me ask those that are concerned about "shutting down", other than a post which amounted to blanket condemnation of anyone who disagrees with Unxti in this thread, what exactly are people supposed to "listen to", that you believe they are ignoring? Further, what constitutes "compassionate behavior" here, simply letting people get on soapboxes uncritically, just listening without replying...what? If you want to complain about lack of compassion, I would like to know what exactly you are seeing that makes you say that.
If people want to be listened to, and feel that is not happening, they need to post something that people can mull over, and/or concrete suggestions (basically Jkhedrup is about the only person in thread by my estimation who even did this), not just complaints about how insensitive or lacking in compassion others are.
Let me make it clear: I am personally very interested in hearing people's experiences, and hopefully educating myself more
, but i'm not interested in constantly being called out every time I disagree, or find a post questionable, or hold a different opinion - now THAT is deflection, and beyond that it is not conversation in good faith, and I don't know why anyone would expect people to listen to them in such an environment, regardless of how legitimate their grievances are- and I agree 100% that they are legitimate grievances, which need addressing.
Further, JKhedrup created a thread for this very purpose
, so people can share their experiences. Personally, I am watching the thread - so far no one has shared anything at all, which to me is confusing, if there are people wanting to be listened to uncritically regarding their experiences, that seems like a great place to start. Failing that, i'm forced to conclude that claims about people not listening are due more to frustrations about the lack of ideological conformity than anything else.
All people can do is do their best to talk in good faith, listen in good faith, and keep their ears open, that's it - that is the best you can get on an internet forum.
"...if you think about how many hours, months and years of your life you've spent looking at things, being fascinated by things that have now passed away, then how wonderful to spend even five minutes looking into the nature of your own mind."