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Alcohol

Post by Queequeg » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:50 pm

Yay or nay and why?
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: Alcohol

Post by Ayu » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:09 pm

Frequently interesting: http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 83#p264088

(I locked that old thread for now, so we don't have two topics with the same title.)
For the benefit and ease of all sentient beings. :heart:

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Re: Alcohol

Post by Malcolm » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:30 pm

Queequeg wrote:Yay or nay and why?
Longchenpa says, among other things, in his Praise to Booze:
  • Since it increases the pure essence, the body and mind are happy,
    since it generates bliss and heat, it increases samadhi,
    and because realization arises since it produces knowledge,
    the qualities of delicious booze are perfect..

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Re: Alcohol

Post by dzogchungpa » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:36 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Queequeg wrote:Yay or nay and why?
Longchenpa says, among other things, in his Praise to Booze:
  • Since it increases the pure essence, the body and mind are happy,
    since it generates bliss and heat, it increases samadhi,
    and because realization arises since it produces knowledge,
    the qualities of delicious booze are perfect..
This.
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Re: Alcohol

Post by odysseus » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:00 pm

The point is not to indulge.

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Re: Alcohol

Post by Malcolm » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:03 pm

odysseus wrote:The point is not to indulge.
  • The conceitedly clever Kadampa vināyadharas,
    and the logicians, the Jodanpas and so on,
    drink in secret, so whose craving is greater?
    the qualities of delicious booze are perfect.

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Re: Alcohol

Post by dharmagoat » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:48 pm

Let's not forget that alcohol is both a poison and known carcinogen, and therefore not appropriate for "this precious human body".

There is also the negative effect it has on mindfulness, something that a serious practitioner would be fully aware of.

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Re: Alcohol

Post by Malcolm » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:54 pm

dharmagoat wrote:Let's not forget that alcohol is both a poison and known carcinogen, and therefore not appropriate for "this precious human body".
  • It balances the humors and is beneficial for all illnesses,
    in particular, since it removes kapha, wind and combination illnesses,
    among medicines, it is the supreme medicinal amrita:
    the qualities of delicious booze are perfect.
There is also the negative effect it has on mindfulness, something that a serious practitioner would be fully aware of.
  • Because it gathers the assembly of dakas and dakinis,
    delights the assembly of yogeśvaras,
    and is the samaya substance that perfects the two accumulations,
    the qualities of delicious booze are perfect.

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Re: Alcohol

Post by Norwegian » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:07 pm

dharmagoat wrote:Let's not forget that alcohol is both a poison and known carcinogen, and therefore not appropriate for "this precious human body".
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There is also the negative effect it has on mindfulness, something that a serious practitioner would be fully aware of.
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Re: Alcohol

Post by Queequeg » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:07 am

Malcolm - are those authentic passages?

I dig it.

A finger or two of neat rye is one of the most enjoyable things in life that I've found very hard to give up.

Water of Life, man, water of life!
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: Alcohol

Post by dzogchungpa » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:17 am

Malcolm wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:Let's not forget that alcohol is both a poison and known carcinogen, and therefore not appropriate for "this precious human body".
  • It balances the humors and is beneficial for all illnesses,
    in particular, since it removes kapha, wind and combination illnesses,
    among medicines, it is the supreme medicinal amrita:
    the qualities of delicious booze are perfect.
There is also the negative effect it has on mindfulness, something that a serious practitioner would be fully aware of.
  • Because it gathers the assembly of dakas and dakinis,
    delights the assembly of yogeśvaras,
    and is the samaya substance that perfects the two accumulations,
    the qualities of delicious booze are perfect.
This.
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Alcohol

Post by dzogchungpa » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:24 am

Queequeg wrote:Malcolm - are those authentic passages?
Possibly of interest: https://books.google.com/books?id=buDN9 ... %20Song%22
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche

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Re: Alcohol

Post by catmoon » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:38 am

I am so conflicted on this. On the one hand, I have the ancient lineages of teachers, going all the way back to Buddha himself, who have presented an unbroken series of condemnations of the demon drink for the past two thousand years.

On the other hand my ancestors are British, to whom beer is holy sacrament, regarded more as food than drink. I grew up spending one night a month bottling the beer. And the Scottish bit of me often pines for a wee dram of that bottled smoke and magic called single malt whisky.

I am the battleground upon which ancient traditions do battle. I don't think it is resolvable. So I've decided not to worry about it. Let shell and shrapnel fly, let the bloody battle be joined, but don't ask that the battle be joined by me!
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Re: Alcohol

Post by Thomas Amundsen » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:19 am

I say "yay or nay". It depends on the capacity of the practitioner, and whether they have taken the fifth precept.

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Re: Alcohol

Post by Taco_Rice » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:49 am

catmoon wrote:I am so conflicted on this. On the one hand, I have the ancient lineages of teachers, going all the way back to Buddha himself, who have presented an unbroken series of condemnations of the demon drink for the past two thousand years.

On the other hand my ancestors are British, to whom beer is holy sacrament, regarded more as food than drink. I grew up spending one night a month bottling the beer. And the Scottish bit of me often pines for a wee dram of that bottled smoke and magic called single malt whisky.

I am the battleground upon which ancient traditions do battle. I don't think it is resolvable. So I've decided not to worry about it. Let shell and shrapnel fly, let the bloody battle be joined, but don't ask that the battle be joined by me!
Your whole existence sounds like perpetually living through the battle scene from Braveheart with the Cranberries' 1994 hit "Zombies" playing in the background. (The Cranberries are Irish, I know, but—it's the same thing basically... right? ...)

When in doubt, though, use the bayonet of discernment and finish off any unwholesome and deluded cultural baggage before its effects can multiply. :thumbsup:
When facing a single tree, if you look at a single one of its red leaves, you will not see all the others. When the eye is not set on any one leaf, and you face the tree with nothing at all in mind, any number of leaves are visible to the eye without limit. But if a single leaf holds the eye, it will be as if the remaining leaves were not there. One who has understood this is no different from Kannon with a thousand arms and a thousand eyes.
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Re: Alcohol

Post by Malcolm » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:16 am

Queequeg wrote:Malcolm - are those authentic passages?
Of course.

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Re: Alcohol

Post by BrianG » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:51 am

Queequeg wrote:Yay or nay and why?
Yay or nay, depends on who the practitioner is.

Someone who has not received HYT empowerment - Nay. Why? It will just increase afflictions, and you have no methods to deal with it.
Someone who has received HYT empowerment - Yay. Why? It will increase afflictions, but now you can start to practice methods that deal with it.
A Yogi - Yay. Why? A Yogi can transmute afflictions into wisdoms, thus drinking will accelerate his progress. This is the most beneficial time to drink booze.
An Arya - Maybe. Why? Aryas don't get much out of drinking booze, so it depends on whether drinking booze would set a good example for sentient beings or not.
Telepaths - I like to kill them

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Re: Alcohol

Post by Rakz » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:36 pm

If it's a nay for Shakyamuni then it's a nay for me.

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Re: Alcohol

Post by mossy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:46 pm

I was a alcoholic, so I know how addicting alcohol can be. So I have to say nay, but that's just my opinion.

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Re: Alcohol

Post by Virgo » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:24 am

Malcolm wrote:
  • Since it increases the pure essence, the body and mind are happy,

Yes but it is even better if you have the right geomancy...

Either a lake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlMB1LVUJto
Or a field:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q40Ct3IiDAQ

Kevin
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