Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

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Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by dzogchungpa » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:22 pm

Possibly of interest:

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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Malcolm » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:32 pm

dzogchungpa wrote:Possibly of interest:

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(hat tip to DJKR)

Horrible.

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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Punya » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:56 pm

How so?
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by dzogchungpa » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:05 pm

Malcolm wrote:Horrible.
Punya wrote:How so?
Apparently it invigorates the clarity aspect a bit overly for our friend. :smile:
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Taco_Rice » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:17 pm

Sounds like a chorus of devas.
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Punya » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:21 pm

Apparently it invigorates the clarity aspect a bit overly for our friend. 
:D

Actually I was just curious. Is it just a matter of taste or is it sacrilegious?
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by philji » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:25 pm

I guess we all have our likes and dislikes but personally don't like it. Cannot connect Padmasambhava with this type of chanting...Too sweet and religious sounding.

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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by dzogchungpa » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:41 pm

Punya wrote:Is it just a matter of taste or is it sacrilegious?
It couldn't be more sacrilegious than DJKR's trance version. :smile:
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Malcolm » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:52 pm

Punya wrote:How so?
First of all, their pronunciation sucks.

Second, it's doesn't swing.

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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by dzogchungpa » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:23 am

Malcolm wrote:
Punya wrote:How so?
First of all, their pronunciation sucks.

Second, it's doesn't swing.

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Fair enough. :smile:
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Punya » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:13 am

Fair enough. 
+1

This was originally posted on DJKR's Facebook page, so it could be that he is just playing wih his Facebook followers.

Like, is a choral version still buddhist? Can you accept this mantra without the usual packaging?
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Adamantine » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:57 am

While I think it's a good reason to rejoice whenever any sentient being speaks, sings, hears or sees precious mantras and prayers like these-- personally I prefer the various traditional melodies.
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by ngodrup » Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:09 am

One attempt.

I have often thought it would be amazing if some composer
expressed traditional Tibetan liturgy in a very elegant western
classical form something along the lines of Mozart's Requiem.

Its maybe not well known, but Dungse Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
was very fond of Gershwin's Porgy and Bess Classic "Summertime"
and felt it was unfortunate that the song didn't have "dharma words."
If it did, it would be all the more sublime.

I also appreciate what Kennett Roshi did with translating traditional
Zen chant into Anglican plainsong.

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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Malcolm » Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:19 am

ngodrup wrote:
Its maybe not well known, but Dungse Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
was very fond of Gershwin's Porgy and Bess Classic "Summertime"
and felt it was unfortunate that the song didn't have "dharma words."
If it did, it would be all the more sublime.
His imagination was lacking, it is a perfect expression of anuyoga view:
  • Summertime, and the livin' is easy
    Fish are jumpin' and the cotton is high
    Oh, your daddy's rich and your ma is good-lookin'
    So hush little baby, Don't you cry

    One of these mornings you're gonna rise up singing
    And you'll spread your wings and you'll take to the sky
    But 'til that morning, there ain't nothin' can harm you
    With Daddy and Mammy standin' by

    Summertime, and the livin' is easy
    Fish are jumpin' and the cotton is high
    Oh, your daddy's rich and your ma is good-lookin'
    So hush little baby, Don't you cry

    One of these mornings you're gonna rise up singing
    And you'll spread your wings and you'll take to the sky
    But 'til that morning, there ain't nothin can harm you
    With Daddy and Mammy standin' by

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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by muni » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:09 am

What is this?

Breaking clinging to culture? Going beyond any tradition?
Emptiness of sound?
it's doesn't swing
Oh well, no. Twist neither. :smile:
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Zhen Li » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:04 pm

It's pretty nice, modernist style music is hit and miss for me, but I liked this one. A version more reminiscent of more traditional western choral music would sound nice, as ngodrup says. However, it is also nice that it breaks with that style, so it is it's own type--also, too many western Buddhists are turned off if they hear something sounding Christian. Buddhist music is still in its infancy, and it may take a while before there emerge clear stylistic directions in which it should go. I personally don't mind the "world music" style that you hear from Imee Ooi, but the problem with that is that it isn't easy to replicate by, say, a choir or what have you.

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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Simon E. » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:18 pm

Malcolm wrote:
dzogchungpa wrote:Possibly of interest:

phpBB [video]


(hat tip to DJKR)

Horrible.

Blimey...thats AWFUL.
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by muni » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:27 pm

It is at least, since the different reactions, a teaching on emptiness of sound. :smile:
Which human beings are “fortunate and connected?” They are the ones who generate love, compassion, and devotion, as well as the commitment to remain steadfast on the path until all beings are liberated. Venerable Khenpo Rinpoches.

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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by Simon E. » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:40 pm

We are not phantoms living in a platonic disembodied world. Buddhadharma is not gnostic Hindudhama with attas inhabiting illusory material bodies. Sight sound and self sense all arises together and dependantly, but in the world of conventional reality they do arise..and no amount of wishing them away has ever altered that.

We can and should develop discrimination.

As CTR says ' When I see denial of our bodily reality, our ordinary experience of the world , I see deep fear '.
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Re: Choral version of Seven Line Prayer

Post by muni » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:55 pm

Sight sound and self sense all arises together and dependantly, but in the world of conventional reality they do arise..and no amount of wishing them away has ever altered that
:namaste:
This is describing the emptiness of sound, Simon. It exist dependently on the hearer. Mingyur Rinpoche gave a unique teaching with meditations in Taiwan years ago: Union of Sound and Emptiness.
(Form-emptiness-emptiness-form.)

Back to Seven Line prayer.
Which human beings are “fortunate and connected?” They are the ones who generate love, compassion, and devotion, as well as the commitment to remain steadfast on the path until all beings are liberated. Venerable Khenpo Rinpoches.

Examining the faults of others will not benefit anyone and only leads to more disturbing emotions, blocking our path to liberation. Penor Rinpoche

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