Socialism & Communism

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TharpaChodron
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Re: Socialism & Communism

Post by TharpaChodron » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:38 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:20 pm
TharpaChodron wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:30 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:51 pm


What you are seeing is not welfare payments. Most of these people are on disability. Welfare in the US is really only available to mothers with children. Staying on foodstamps is a huge pain in the ass for these folks, because they must prove to the Gvt. they have a stove and an apartment. Disability payments however require no such proof. And yes, if you start working and earn more than a certain amount, your disability is pulled.
Hmmm, you may be right (you usually are), but I actually worked a bit inside the welfare program (Welfare to Work) and I learned about the eligibility requirements and how it works. Every state might be different, but in California a person can qualify for food stamps and receive them for their entire life, as it's only based on income (I believe).
Food stamps are not welfare.


I am 99% sure you don't need an actual home address in California to get food stamps. You can tell them you are homeless and they put the county's own P.O. Box address as your own and people come pick up their checks right at the office.
Since food stamps are a block grant program, different states have different rules. In Mass, you have to have a stove.
Oh, and I guess it looks like an adult can time out of the program, but children don't tie-out, so a person still receives benefits for the kids until they turn 18 (that's the CalWorks program).
That is across the board. But you know, these aid programs account for a minuscule percentage of the budget.

The actual Calfresh website says this: " CalFresh (federally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or SNAP) is a federally mandated, state-supervised, and county-operated government entitlement program that provides monthly food benefits to assist low-income households in purchasing the food they need to maintain adequate nutritional levels."

I'm all for a social welfare system, just one that is more effective and comprehensive. I think we need to be giving more help, not less, but done the right way.

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Re: Socialism & Communism

Post by Minobu » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:43 pm

TharpaChodron wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:38 pm


I'm all for a social welfare system, just one that is more effective and comprehensive. I think we need to be giving more help, not less, but done the right way.
we have a lot of social nets and universal health care in Canada.
welfare abuse is rampant. health care system is abused beyond belief..i needed a heart monitor..they sent me to a company and the thing was broken.
they gave me another and i showed them that the metal used to make the connection of the thing that plugs into the monitor is so cheap it has no memory and won't bend back so it doesn't touch...the thing is made in china and the importer decided to make short cuts...the company said it was health canada approved..i said maybe the initial one you showed them but it is not the same obviously...

i saw this same monitor on people and showed them it wasn't working proper 2 years later...


and sometimes over the top.

Justin Trudeau decided to bring the welfare kids out of poverty. so he now gives to low income and welfare families $650.00 per kid per month.

A new Canadian with ten kids due to their culture now gets $6500.00 a month tax free... Are their kids probably thinking about having as many kids as possible instead of working....????
to tell you the truth..if i was a teen ager the thought might cross my mind.
in two years a nice tidy sum of $1300.00 a month plus the fact i am a teen with kids welfare of about $2400.00 a month.

don't tell anyone....but they do...people are flocking into Canada illegally due to the fact chances are they will be Canadians in 3 years.

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Re: Socialism & Communism

Post by Minobu » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:47 pm

when i say having kids due to their culture ..don't shoot me...i've talked to them and they said it is part of their religion...
Gaddafi said once..."you don;t have to kill people in Europe just have many children and in a few generations you will be in power. not an exact quote but i was told this.

also Catholics are told to have lots of kids and in days of old French Canadians were from large families, the Catholic church practically ordered them to do so.
i'm sounding sort of bigoted and racist ..maybe so but not intending to be.

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Re: Socialism & Communism

Post by TharpaChodron » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:51 pm

Minobu wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:43 pm
TharpaChodron wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:38 pm


I'm all for a social welfare system, just one that is more effective and comprehensive. I think we need to be giving more help, not less, but done the right way.
we have a lot of social nets and universal health care in Canada.
welfare abuse is rampant. health care system is abused beyond belief..i needed a heart monitor..they sent me to a company and the thing was broken.
they gave me another and i showed them that the metal used to make the connection of the thing that plugs into the monitor is so cheap it has no memory and won't bend back so it doesn't touch...the thing is made in china and the importer decided to make short cuts...the company said it was health canada approved..i said maybe the initial one you showed them but it is not the same obviously...

i saw this same monitor on people and showed them it wasn't working proper 2 years later...


and sometimes over the top.

Justin Trudeau decided to bring the welfare kids out of poverty. so he now gives to low income and welfare families $650.00 per kid per month.

A new Canadian with ten kids due to their culture now gets $6500.00 a month tax free... Are their kids probably thinking about having as many kids as possible instead of working....????
to tell you the truth..if i was a teen ager the thought might cross my mind.
in two years a nice tidy sum of $1300.00 a month plus the fact i am a teen with kids welfare of about $2400.00 a month.

don't tell anyone....but they do...people are flocking into Canada illegally due to the fact chances are they will be Canadians in 3 years.
It seems that every country has at least some issues when it comes to health care. sorry to hear about that happening to you.

I have heard that quite a few people immigrate to Canada, especially since the US has become less favorable because of various reasons. Maybe a Canadian version of Trump is looming in the future for your country. :o

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Re: Socialism & Communism

Post by Minobu » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:16 am

TharpaChodron wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:51 pm
Minobu wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:43 pm
TharpaChodron wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:38 pm


I'm all for a social welfare system, just one that is more effective and comprehensive. I think we need to be giving more help, not less, but done the right way.
we have a lot of social nets and universal health care in Canada.
welfare abuse is rampant. health care system is abused beyond belief..i needed a heart monitor..they sent me to a company and the thing was broken.
they gave me another and i showed them that the metal used to make the connection of the thing that plugs into the monitor is so cheap it has no memory and won't bend back so it doesn't touch...the thing is made in china and the importer decided to make short cuts...the company said it was health canada approved..i said maybe the initial one you showed them but it is not the same obviously...

i saw this same monitor on people and showed them it wasn't working proper 2 years later...


and sometimes over the top.

Justin Trudeau decided to bring the welfare kids out of poverty. so he now gives to low income and welfare families $650.00 per kid per month.

A new Canadian with ten kids due to their culture now gets $6500.00 a month tax free... Are their kids probably thinking about having as many kids as possible instead of working....????
to tell you the truth..if i was a teen ager the thought might cross my mind.
in two years a nice tidy sum of $1300.00 a month plus the fact i am a teen with kids welfare of about $2400.00 a month.

don't tell anyone....but they do...people are flocking into Canada illegally due to the fact chances are they will be Canadians in 3 years.
It seems that every country has at least some issues when it comes to health care. sorry to hear about that happening to you.

I have heard that quite a few people immigrate to Canada, especially since the US has become less favorable because of various reasons. Maybe a Canadian version of Trump is looming in the future for your country. :o
well the last guy was a probably racist right wingnut who hated Obama.
\somehow he now works for a large American consulting firm

he ran his last election with an anti moslem face covering tactic in quebec , which now just made face coverings illegal to wear in any government run operation....like riding a bus..a lot of people revolted with face coverings on buses...


Canada is not the utopian society it makes out to be,

our health care system works and doesn't work...you gotta sort be your own doctor..

there is hope though we do have some people with a semblance of sanity. problem is the country is so resource rich that control is pretty much locked up and our politicians are just a game..both sides are used..

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