Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by TharpaChodron » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:28 am

Thanks everyone for your feedback. The consensus on DW is they're fake. I can't even fathom the type of person who would engage in these scams, talk about negative karma.

Maybe my first thought was right, as I saw a "nun" trying to give a mala bracelet to people. I thought maybe she is a human trafficking victim. Now, I'm thinking that may be correct. Bloody hell. :?

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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by Grigoris » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:05 am

TharpaChodron wrote:
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The rat is actually a squirrel? I feel so much better now. :)
Don't get too happy, squirrels are rodents too! :P
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by DGA » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:07 pm

TharpaChodron wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:02 am

You can see it here:

https://www.vegasnews.com/126105/giant- ... -year.html

Nice, eh?
Hey, thanks for saving me a trip to Vegas!

That is impressive.

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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by conebeckham » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:34 pm

We have these "fake monks" in SF. I have interacted with them. The clue is that they try to give you some trinket and then immediately ask for money. I have wondered if they are organized, or if this sort of thing is individually driven, but I can't say. I got into a discussion with one of them about Karma, and it was immediately apparent that the individual I was talking to had very cursory knowledge of Dharma. I've also spent some time watching them from a distance. I am certain they are scammers.
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by TharpaChodron » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:12 am

conebeckham wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:34 pm
We have these "fake monks" in SF. I have interacted with them. The clue is that they try to give you some trinket and then immediately ask for money. I have wondered if they are organized, or if this sort of thing is individually driven, but I can't say. I got into a discussion with one of them about Karma, and it was immediately apparent that the individual I was talking to had very cursory knowledge of Dharma. I've also spent some time watching them from a distance. I am certain they are scammers.
Engaging in a dharma discussion to verify their authenticity is a clever idea. The one I met acted like he didn't speak English, though. Now, if I'd of had one you Dharmawheelers who speaks Chinese with me, that would have been fun.

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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by MiphamFan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:07 am

They existed a long time ago in Singapore.

Once one of them approached me. I laughed at him and said "you are a fake monk." in Chinese. He look shocked. I was surprised that he was shocked TBH, I would have thought an experienced scammer would take it in stride. Then I said further "I'll call the police." He then hurriedly walked off.

Another time I met an Indian man who approached me and said "You have a lucky face." Unbeknowst to him I had read an article about this very scam in India just the day before. I just laughed because of the seredenpity but he seemed taken aback. I walked off.

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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by amanitamusc » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:00 am

MiphamFan wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:07 am
They existed a long time ago in Singapore.

Once one of them approached me. I laughed at him and said "you are a fake monk." in Chinese. He look shocked. I was surprised that he was shocked TBH, I would have thought an experienced scammer would take it in stride. Then I said further "I'll call the police." He then hurriedly walked off.

Another time I met an Indian man who approached me and said "You have a lucky face." Unbeknowst to him I had read an article about this very scam in India just the day before. I just laughed because of the seredenpity but he seemed taken aback. I walked off.
What if you really do have a lucky face?

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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by TharpaChodron » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:02 am

amanitamusc wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:00 am
MiphamFan wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:07 am
They existed a long time ago in Singapore.

Once one of them approached me. I laughed at him and said "you are a fake monk." in Chinese. He look shocked. I was surprised that he was shocked TBH, I would have thought an experienced scammer would take it in stride. Then I said further "I'll call the police." He then hurriedly walked off.

Another time I met an Indian man who approached me and said "You have a lucky face." Unbeknowst to him I had read an article about this very scam in India just the day before. I just laughed because of the seredenpity but he seemed taken aback. I walked off.
What if you really do have a lucky face?
Quite lucky to have encountered the Dharma, that's for sure!

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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by amanitamusc » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:47 am

TharpaChodron wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:02 am
amanitamusc wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:00 am
MiphamFan wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:07 am
They existed a long time ago in Singapore.

Once one of them approached me. I laughed at him and said "you are a fake monk." in Chinese. He look shocked. I was surprised that he was shocked TBH, I would have thought an experienced scammer would take it in stride. Then I said further "I'll call the police." He then hurriedly walked off.

Another time I met an Indian man who approached me and said "You have a lucky face." Unbeknowst to him I had read an article about this very scam in India just the day before. I just laughed because of the seredenpity but he seemed taken aback. I walked off.
What if you really do have a lucky face?
Quite lucky to have encountered the Dharma, that's for sure!
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:01 am

Why question the "authenticity" of these people ? Aren't we all fake ?
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by amanitamusc » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:14 am

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:01 am
Why question the "authenticity" of these people ? Aren't we all fake ?
Would you take one as your root guru?

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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:31 am

amanitamusc wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:14 am
Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:01 am
Why question the "authenticity" of these people ? Aren't we all fake ?
Would you take one as your root guru?

No. But if i really had pure view, i should/could.
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by Grigoris » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:54 am

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:31 am
No. But if i really had pure view, i should/could.
That's a strange interpretation of pure vision you have there and an equally weird view of the guru.
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by Mantrik » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:51 am

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I live in Vegas, but not sure if those monks were real or not. I know some come here to give talks or for some programs and then while here some want to see what all the excitement is at the Strip (Las Vegas Blvd). I have heard that some have been seen gambling on the slots. I know in Asia there have been many fake monks caught, pretending to be monks to get money donations from tourists and locals. I remember in India seeing a bunch of what looked like monks running after a tour bus and thought that was odd, but then heard that they were most likely not real monks. The robes can be purchased and it is of course easy to shave one's head.

In front of Caesars Palace is a Brahma statue, with the throne about 10 to 15 feet high.

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Came across many fake monks in Pushkar around the Brahma temple. One of the students I took there refused to pay for a puja so the 'monk' booted the kid's camera into the lake! They also beat up our minibus driver. Robes are cheap.....I'd sooner trust a camel than a monk in that place.
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

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Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:31 am
No. But if i really had pure view, i should/could.
In this case the deciple has to know much more than the guru. Seems to be a too high demand.
I understand, every tree, stone or garbage-can could be seen as a teacher. But nevertheless you won't sit in front of them for weeks. :smile:
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by Kunga Lhadzom » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:08 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:54 am
Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:31 am
No. But if i really had pure view, i should/could.
That's a strange interpretation of pure vision you have there and an equally weird view of the guru.
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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:shrug:


btw...if it wasn't for your signature...it would be very difficult for me to get through the stuff i'm going through now....it's a very difficult thing to do (pure view)....i even thought recently of asking you to be my teacher...but i know you would be very hard on me...haha...and i don't think i could stand it... :crying:


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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by Grigoris » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:07 pm

Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:08 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:54 am
Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:31 am
No. But if i really had pure view, i should/could.
That's a strange interpretation of pure vision you have there and an equally weird view of the guru.
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Ultimately, yes.

At the relative level I take it to mean that all sentient beings can teach us something (like the Buddha and the Guru) that will lead us to realise the nature of reality.

That doesn't mean we should take them as our Guru, nor does it mean they are enlightened (relatively speaking).
btw...if it wasn't for your signature...it would be very difficult for me to get through the stuff i'm going through now....it's a very difficult thing to do (pure view)....i even thought recently of asking you to be my teacher...but i know you would be very hard on me...haha...and i don't think i could stand it... :crying:
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I am not a teacher, nor a Guru and certainly not a Buddha! :smile:
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by TharpaChodron » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:40 am

Grigoris wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:07 pm
Kunga Lhadzom wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:08 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:54 am
That's a strange interpretation of pure vision you have there and an equally weird view of the guru.
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Ultimately, yes.

At the relative level I take it to mean that all sentient beings can teach us something (like the Buddha and the Guru) that will lead us to realise the nature of reality.

That doesn't mean we should take them as our Guru, nor does it mean they are enlightened (relatively speaking).
btw...if it wasn't for your signature...it would be very difficult for me to get through the stuff i'm going through now....it's a very difficult thing to do (pure view)....i even thought recently of asking you to be my teacher...but i know you would be very hard on me...haha...and i don't think i could stand it... :crying:
OM BENDZA KILI KILAYA SARVA BIGHANEN BAM HUNG PHET

May all the obstacles to your enlightenment be crushed to dust!

I am not a teacher, nor a Guru and certainly not a Buddha! :smile:
That's too bad because I was also hoping to have you as my teacher. As well as Malcolm. The two of you as dueling gurus would be great. Like Dueling Banjos, Buddhist style.


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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by Coëmgenu » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:15 pm

conebeckham wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:34 pm
We have these "fake monks" in SF. I have interacted with them. The clue is that they try to give you some trinket and then immediately ask for money. I have wondered if they are organized, or if this sort of thing is individually driven, but I can't say. I got into a discussion with one of them about Karma, and it was immediately apparent that the individual I was talking to had very cursory knowledge of Dharma. I've also spent some time watching them from a distance. I am certain they are scammers.
A friend of mine was scammed by them recently, well, actually, a few years ago. The give-away was when he went to give him a 10 and the "monk" asked for the 20 in his wallet instead, lol.
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Re: Buddhist Monks on the Las Vegas Strip

Post by Fa Dao » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:28 pm

When I lived in China during the spring of 1992 the govt had "monks" in the various temples/monasteries to collect entrance fees and donations...they were not real monks just dudes trying to make a living doing a govt job...
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