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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by Malcolm » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:33 am

Mantrik wrote:
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How much Neanderthal DNA do you all have?
1.3 percent. People call me "blond," but I am really a redhead.
Which test shows that Neanderthal element up?
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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by MiphamFan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:13 am

23andme also gives you Neanderthal DNA percentage. I got IIRC about 3%

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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by Mantrik » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:21 am

Malcolm wrote:
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1.3 percent. People call me "blond," but I am really a redhead.
Which test shows that Neanderthal element up?
Geno
Thanks. :)

I uploaded the data to Ged Match (gedmatch.com) for free and their analysis was around 32% Neolithic, the rest being mainly Eastern Hunter Gatherer and Western Hunter Gatherer. They offer a range of tests and the results were broadly the same.

I think to obtain the Neanderthal I'll need another site like Promethease.

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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by Grigoris » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:45 am

Mantrik wrote:
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I uploaded the data to Ged Match (gedmatch.com) for free and their analysis was around 32% Neolithic...
Well that explains a lot! :tongue:
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Re: DNA TESTS

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Grigoris wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:45 am
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Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:21 am
I uploaded the data to Ged Match (gedmatch.com) for free and their analysis was around 32% Neolithic...
Well that explains a lot! :tongue:
Maybe that's why I ended up close to Avebury and Stonehenge!

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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by conebeckham » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:46 pm

Well, knock me over with a feather!

Results are in. As I anticipated, I'm 98.2% Europe, but it's the 1.7% that astounds me. Apparently, there's Pashtun on my Mom's side.
Mom's side Haplogroup is J2a, subclade J2a1a1. Lots of this haplogroup in Yemen!

Dad's Anglo-Saxon, no surprise.R-U106, R-L48. Germanic, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, etc......East Anglia, Scotland, a bit of North Wales, other parts of England. No Irish at all, it seems.

Still reviewing this, and I will send it in to GEDMatch, etc.
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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by Mantrik » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:50 pm

conebeckham wrote:
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Well, knock me over with a feather!

Results are in. As I anticipated, I'm 98.2% Europe, but it's the 1.7% that astounds me. Apparently, there's Pashtun on my Mom's side.
Mom's side Haplogroup is J2a, subclade J2a1a1. Lots of this haplogroup in Yemen!

Dad's Anglo-Saxon, no surprise.R-U106, R-L48. Germanic, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, etc......East Anglia, Scotland, a bit of North Wales, other parts of England. No Irish at all, it seems.

Still reviewing this, and I will send it in to GEDMatch, etc.
I'm really surprised they could be precise about Welsh but not Irish.
Pashtun is very cool :)
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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by Norwegian » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:04 pm

Well, finally bought a test today. Will be a long wait though before I get results (shipping from them to me, and shipping from me to them). I'll add results here when I get it done :)

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Post by Punya » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:18 pm

Thank you for starting this thread Mantrik. It's reignited my interest in family history.

I'm going to order the test through LivingDNA as all of the family connections we are aware of are in Britain. I'm most interested in our Jewish ancestry. My great grandmother migrated from Islington, London where there was a large Jewish community in the 1900s. Her documents also show a progressive anglicising of her name after her arrival in Australia.
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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by Mantrik » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:05 pm

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Interesting article in today's NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/heal ... alogy.html
Yes, the police upload a DNA file they can check the database for close matches. As well as killers it could catch rapists, thieves......although of course they would have had to have sent in their own sample for ancestry or medical checks.
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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by TharpaChodron » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:34 am

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Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:10 pm
Interesting article in today's NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/heal ... alogy.html
I thought the police did a brilliant job. DNA evidence can exonerate people as well as convict them. Personally, I think the good outweighs the risks. And in the article it seems people are worried that submitting their DNA might cause a relative to get caught for their crimes. Like, really???

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Re: DNA TESTS

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TharpaChodron wrote:
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justsit wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:10 pm
Interesting article in today's NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/heal ... alogy.html
I thought the police did a brilliant job. DNA evidence can exonerate people as well as convict them. Personally, I think the good outweighs the risks. And in the article it seems people are worried that submitting their DNA might cause a relative to get caught for their crimes. Like, really???
Some people only want others to pay for their crimes and they themselves feel exempt from reproach, it's a pride thing the human has in its ignorant phase... I am constantly shocked by how many people share this ideology (if it can be called that). Like, really.
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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by humble.student » Thu May 03, 2018 8:35 am

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As well as killers it could catch rapists, thieves......although of course they would have had to have sent in their own sample for ancestry or medical checks.
Not necessarily, in this case, the police managed to track down the killer from 3rd cousins who had done so, then worked back from what? the great-great grandparents and narrowed it down using old fashioned police work. Big Brother, eh?

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Re: DNA TESTS

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As well as killers it could catch rapists, thieves......although of course they would have had to have sent in their own sample for ancestry or medical checks.
Not necessarily, in this case, the police managed to track down the killer from 3rd cousins who had done so, then worked back from what? the great-great grandparents and narrowed it down using old fashioned police work. Big Brother, eh?
I thought the police started with DNA from the crime or from a suspect, uploaded it and did a search for matches on GED Match, turning up his close relatives, which then led to him. Ah well.

Without his personal DNA, the DNA of relatives it does't pin it on him. Samples of his DNA from a crime scene would do so for sure.
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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by Grigoris » Thu May 03, 2018 10:07 am

What people fail to understand is that the same information that may be used right now to track down criminals, could easily be used by an (even more repressive government) for less noble purposes. Once the information is in the hands of the state, whoever controls the state can use the information as they see fit.
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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by Mantrik » Thu May 03, 2018 10:30 am

Grigoris wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 10:07 am
What people fail to understand is that the same information that may be used right now to track down criminals could easily be used by an (even more repressive government) for less noble purposes. Once the information is in the hands of the state whoever controls the state can use the information as they see fit.
I don't think people fail to understand it, in my experience. Many are shit scared by it.

Hopefully, some are deterred from crimes where it is hard to avoid leaving DNA.

I think the health and travel insurance companies will be first non-police organisations to exploit the system.
They will try to entrap people into allowing access, offering discounts etc. They will, of course, exclude your major risks, or offer cover at a huge premium which wipe out any discounts.

Then then will eventually move to make access to your DNA a precondition of providing cover.

THis will then extend to employers and government agencies for all sorts of purposes.

Just my guess at how it will pan out.
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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by humble.student » Thu May 03, 2018 11:59 am

Mantrik wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 8:42 am
I thought the police started with DNA from the crime or from a suspect, uploaded it and did a search for matches on GED Match, turning up his close relatives, which then led to him. Ah well.
Without his personal DNA, the DNA of relatives it does't pin it on him. Samples of his DNA from a crime scene would do so for sure.
What I meant was, the suspect himself didn't upload anything or do an ancestry check: the police did, using the samples from the crime scene, and then traced him back through his relatives.

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Re: DNA TESTS

Post by humble.student » Thu May 03, 2018 12:02 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 10:07 am
What people fail to understand is that the same information that may be used right now to track down criminals, could easily be used by an (even more repressive government) for less noble purposes. Once the information is in the hands of the state, whoever controls the state can use the information as they see fit.
Cambridge Analytica and the election shenanigans aside, if this recent Facebook debacle has demonstrated anything, it's that this information is largely used to get people to consume more crap.

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