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interactions between humans and other beings

Post by ???? » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:18 am

I am curious what the Buddhist texts say about the interference of other forms of life into our fate.
Mainly I mean "reptilians" called by David Icke on of Asuras
I'm not a follower of his concept but I am curious if it is possible that mankind would be a slave to another race.
Lower worlds exercising rule over the beings from higher worlds
What about karma etc :popcorn:
We can somehow confirm or disprove this concept using Vedic or/and Buddhist texts?
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Post by cyril » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:01 am

The Suttas speak of nimmanarati devas who delight in the sense objects of their own creation. However, I never found a clear explanation on what such creation would consist of. Are these devas able to create entire realms? If they are, then can sentient beings, propelled by karma, take rebirth in the realms thus created? If so, then it follows that paranimmitavasavatti devas, who delight in controlling other's creation, could also control the sentient beings born within those realms.

Still, from the perspective of Dharma, I think that all this stuff is quite irrelevant since ultimately it's still karma which binds you to the wheel of becomming, regardless of the nature of the realm you take rebirth into. It's your own passions that ultimately make you a slave, not some alien race. When a meditator enters jhana, the Mara cannot see him, let alone control him. Heck, even the Gnostics held that the Archons could control and keep you prisoner in this world created by an evil Demiurge only to the extent you are attached to it; that's why they were rejecing every thing wordly.
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Post by Grigoris » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:26 am

Deva cannot create sentient beings. The idea is contrary to the teachings on Dependent Origination and karma. One could be born into a realm created by a Deva but that does not mean that they are controlled by the Deva. There is still volition.
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Post by Grigoris » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:32 am

???? wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:18 am
I'm not a follower of his concept but I am curious if it is possible that mankind would be a slave to another race.
They don't need to be a slave to another race, they are slaves to their stupidity anyway.
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Post by cyril » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:45 am

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:26 am
Deva cannot create sentient beings. The idea is contrary to the teachings on Dependent Origination and karma. One could be born into a realm created by a Deva but that does not mean that they are controlled by the Deva. There is still volition.
Yes, of course, there is still volition and free will. But I imagine there would be some limits to the extent such volition could be enforced, since the deva can control the environment so to speak. Just the came way cattle can move around as they please within the confines of the corral set by humans.
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Post by ???? » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:13 pm

Free will? there is no such thing,because everything what we do is limited by our views.
We make choices based on our beliefs,beliefs limit our choices.

Our freedom is limited to choice whether we pay in cash or pay by credit card.
I do not pay - this is a choice,yes or not,but we may choose only the method of payment.


they are slaves to their stupidity anyway. ok but my question concerned the possibilities that other beings have (or not)
to interfere with our fate and life,we would have a common karma as slaves etc etc
and in this form we could be reborn in the lower worlds but our Earth is not a lower world,so?

However, when I observe followers of Islam or/and Judeo-Christianity
they give the impression of being possessed by evil spirits.

Conviction of superiority, hunger for possession, power and wealth and slaves (in the case of hierarchs)
divine jealousy,need to worship and adoration (like ordinary celebrities).

I do not know how to find the golden mean.
Monotheistic religions are kind...cult of asuras(holy war, fight,crusade,proselytism).
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Post by Aryjna » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:52 pm

There is no need to disprove that reptilians are controlling humanity because it is a ridiculous hypothesis in the first place. But it is even more surprising that people care enough about this kind of stuff to spend time creating conspiracy theories about it, as if it would make a difference to their life if in fact humanity was 'controlled' by aliens or whatever.
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they are slaves to their stupidity anyway. ok but my question concerned the possibilities that other beings have (or not)
to interfere with our fate and life,we would have a common karma as slaves etc etc
and in this form we could be reborn in the lower worlds but our Earth is not a lower world,so?

However, when I observe followers of Islam or/and Judeo-Christianity
they give the impression of being possessed by evil spirits.

Conviction of superiority, hunger for possession, power and wealth and slaves (in the case of hierarchs)
divine jealousy,need to worship and adoration (like ordinary celebrities).

I do not know how to find the golden mean.
Monotheistic religions are kind...cult of asuras(holy war, fight,crusade,proselytism).
The government, banks, etc., interfere with our life, even if there were a bunch of reptilians on top of them, what difference does it make?

Being a slave, or flayed alive in a dark cell, can happen in the human realm, it is just that in the lower realms this is much more the standard and also much more unpleasant. The afflictions that are found in all other realms are also present in this one as well.

As for demons etc., according to buddhism they may negatively affect humans, but it is not really the same as far as I know.

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Post by Grigoris » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:29 pm

???? wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:13 pm
However, when I observe followers of Islam or/and Judeo-Christianity
they give the impression of being possessed by evil spirits.
Some seem to possessed by extreme ignorance, definitely.
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Post by ???? » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:48 am

The government, banks, etc., interfere with our life, even if there were a bunch of reptilians on top of them, what difference does it make?
:) the point is that sponsors of wars (bankers and politicians and priests who rule us) are human.
blaming aliens for people's sins it is meaningless.It's just like blaming Satan for our evil deeds.
Satan does wrong things instead of us, in which case good things are done by angels,we are just a passive observer :zzz:


Unless it is different and in fact some foreign race created us in the lab
just to have their servants,and we are only their experiment,their property.

The point is to establish the truth or as high as possible probability.
Many people talk about chakras and aura,they say they are watching it with their third eye
why they can not check the person accused of being a representative of the lizard race? :popcorn:
Even Bon works with chakras and aura.


From my information it follows that the whole matter related to the Reptilians
is part of the propaganda war against the white Slavic race.
The Slavs were called Drako,Lechia's empire in chronicles was something obvious
today, modern scientists say that Lechia never existed!
Examples can be multiplied, but this is a topic for another discussion.


However,interesting fact remains
to what energies appeal the rituals of the secret masonic lodges,jesuits/iluminati,and judeo-christianity+islam.
Signs and symbols indicate that is Saturn.
But are the planets in our system inhabited by some form of life, spiritual beings invisible to our eyes?
According to the Vedic texts, yes but I did not find any information about
communication with them and get some benefits from relationships with them.
Just like with us, no foreign race comes into contact with us because we are not able to give them anything precious
with the exception of a convenient loan, fast food junk with pseudo food GMO
and missionaries who delightfully explain to them that their tradition is false and wrong and evil
and the only right and true is in Rome...or Mekka :alien:
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Post by Grigoris » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:16 pm

???? wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:48 am
From my information it follows that the whole matter related to the Reptilians
is part of the propaganda war against the white Slavic race.
The Slavs were called Drako,Lechia's empire in chronicles was something obvious
today, modern scientists say that Lechia never existed!
Examples can be multiplied, but this is a topic for another discussion.
This topic is complete and utter BS.
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Post by Malcolm » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:43 pm

Possibly of interest:


How to Spot the Reptilians Running the U.S. Government:
As 12 million Americans "know," the United States government is run by lizard people (or, to be scientifically accurate, reptilians). But they never said which members of the government are the reptilians. So we're here to help.

Piecing together the latest groundbreaking research being conducted by commenters at conspiracy websites, we've been able to isolate a number of prominent individuals who possess reptilian-compatible bloodlines. As "ufochick" writes at DavidIcke.com (Icke is a prominent reptile theorist, as evidenced by his book at right), even if a person has compatible bloodlines, "they will not become a reptilian unless a reptilian entity inhabits their physical body."

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/ar ... nt/354496/

BTW, according to the little test at the end, I am either a reptilian or have a reptilian compatible bloodline.
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Post by Dorje Shedrub » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:29 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:43 pm


BTW, according to the little test at the end, I am either a reptilian or have a reptilian compatible bloodline.
Maybe your great, great grandmother was a naga!

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Post by ???? » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:09 pm

As 12 million Americans "know," the United States government is run by lizard people

:D how many of them know that United States government are zionists?
2?
3?

Maybe your great, great grandmother was a naga!

Someone on the forum would like to marry Dakini
I would like to marry Nagini :tongue:
but if it is not possible *, although one of Naga people woman from Nagaland :woohoo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_people


* I read in one of the Buddhist books that it is possible :) but how to do it ... :shrug:
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Post by Malcolm » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:38 pm

???? wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:09 pm
As 12 million Americans "know," the United States government is run by lizard people

:D how many of them know that United States government are zionists?
2?
3?
Seriously? US Foreign policy backs Israel, but the US GOV is hardly Zionist. This is just another hangover left from the good ol' days of British Imperialism.
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The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Post by Bristollad » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:49 pm

???? wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:09 pm
As 12 million Americans "know," the United States government is run by lizard people

:D how many of them know that United States government are zionists?
2?
3?
None who can read without moving their lips (I hope!)

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