What is the nature of mind?

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Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Post by Malcolm » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:33 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:31 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:24 pm
No, it is not merely an opinion. There is an entire Madhyamaka literature which definitively refutes the Yogācāra school in terms of citations and reasoning.
And the Catholics have a few things to say about Protestant and Orthodox Christians... :roll:
Greg, you are not conversing in good faith.

Now, if you have arguments which prove Mādhyamika scholars are incorrect in their refutations of Yogacāra, please present them or assent to the point.

Otherwise, it looks very much as if you are advocating a position which declares all religious positions to be valid on their own terms, immune from the refutations of others.

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Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Post by Grigoris » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:45 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:33 pm
Greg, you are not conversing in good faith.
I am conversing in good faith and I feel that the example I gave is quite relevant.

Christian also argue with each other on the basis of logic too. You should read some of the trinatairan vs non-trinatarian ( (Homoousianism and Arianism) debates.

The Trinatarians won. The backing by the Byzantine state helped settle that little tiff. Sound familiar?
Now, if you have an argument which proves Mādhyamika scholars are incorrect in their refutations of Yogacāra, please present them or assent to the point.
1. I do not have to assent to anything. Both are merely belief systems with one currently being dominant. I may agree with one over the other, but that is just my conceptualising and dualising mind playing games.
Otherwise, it looks very much as if you are advocating a position which declares all religious positions to be valid on their own terms, immune from the refutations of others.
Everything is open to dispute and refutation, but that does not necessarily mean that the refutation is valid. Of course that does not mean the countered position is correct either. Or both. Or neither.

Any of this starting to look familiar yet?
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Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Post by Malcolm » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:54 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:45 pm
I may agree with one over the other, but that is just my conceptualising and dualising mind playing games.
I will keep that in mind and ignore all of your comments then, since they are just the random mutterings of your mind and are not to be taken seriously on any level.

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Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Post by Grigoris » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:09 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:54 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:45 pm
I may agree with one over the other, but that is just my conceptualising and dualising mind playing games.
I will keep that in mind and ignore all of your comments then, since they are just the random mutterings of your mind and are not to be taken seriously on any level.
Whereas your's are the targeted mutterings of your mind and are not to be taken seriously on any level since they are just conceptual proliferation (albeit well thought out). :smile:
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Re: What is the nature of mind?

Post by Grigoris » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:02 pm

Can we get on with the discussion now that we have finished with the ad homs?

Thanks guys!
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: What is the nature of mind?

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Re: What is the nature of mind?

Post by amanitamusc » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:33 am

The nature of mind in Dzogchen is Kadak and Lundup nondual.

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Re: What is the nature of mind?

Post by Queequeg » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:02 pm

Buddhanature.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: What is the nature of mind?

Post by florin » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:57 pm

Some Buddhas are sentient beings in disguise, the others are just Buddhas
“The path of the supreme yoga it is not the path of accomplished sages of the past. Whoever enters onto the path of the sages of the past will end up gripped by the sicknesses of the path - meditation, attachment, and exertion.”Thig le drug pa.

“Everything of the universe of saṃsāra and nirvāṇa arises as the enlightened energy of the one self-perfected Natural Presence. But these teachers still mistakenly teach that disciples should fabricate enlightenment by applying discipline, renunciation, interruption, purification and transformation”.

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Re: What is the nature of mind?

Post by Grigoris » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:55 pm

florin wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:57 pm
Some Buddhas are sentient beings in disguise, the others are just Buddhas
:twothumbsup:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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