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Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:33 pm
by Malcolm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:31 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:24 pm
No, it is not merely an opinion. There is an entire Madhyamaka literature which definitively refutes the Yogācāra school in terms of citations and reasoning.
And the Catholics have a few things to say about Protestant and Orthodox Christians... :roll:
Greg, you are not conversing in good faith.

Now, if you have arguments which prove Mādhyamika scholars are incorrect in their refutations of Yogacāra, please present them or assent to the point.

Otherwise, it looks very much as if you are advocating a position which declares all religious positions to be valid on their own terms, immune from the refutations of others.

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:45 pm
by Grigoris
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:33 pm
Greg, you are not conversing in good faith.
I am conversing in good faith and I feel that the example I gave is quite relevant.

Christian also argue with each other on the basis of logic too. You should read some of the trinatairan vs non-trinatarian ( (Homoousianism and Arianism) debates.

The Trinatarians won. The backing by the Byzantine state helped settle that little tiff. Sound familiar?
Now, if you have an argument which proves Mādhyamika scholars are incorrect in their refutations of Yogacāra, please present them or assent to the point.
1. I do not have to assent to anything. Both are merely belief systems with one currently being dominant. I may agree with one over the other, but that is just my conceptualising and dualising mind playing games.
Otherwise, it looks very much as if you are advocating a position which declares all religious positions to be valid on their own terms, immune from the refutations of others.
Everything is open to dispute and refutation, but that does not necessarily mean that the refutation is valid. Of course that does not mean the countered position is correct either. Or both. Or neither.

Any of this starting to look familiar yet?

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:54 pm
by Malcolm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:45 pm
I may agree with one over the other, but that is just my conceptualising and dualising mind playing games.
I will keep that in mind and ignore all of your comments then, since they are just the random mutterings of your mind and are not to be taken seriously on any level.

Re: Interesting excerpt from the (Hindu) Mahanirvana Tantra

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:09 pm
by Grigoris
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:54 pm
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:45 pm
I may agree with one over the other, but that is just my conceptualising and dualising mind playing games.
I will keep that in mind and ignore all of your comments then, since they are just the random mutterings of your mind and are not to be taken seriously on any level.
Whereas your's are the targeted mutterings of your mind and are not to be taken seriously on any level since they are just conceptual proliferation (albeit well thought out). :smile:

Re: What is the nature of mind?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:02 pm
by Grigoris
Can we get on with the discussion now that we have finished with the ad homs?

Thanks guys!

Re: What is the nature of mind?

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:24 pm
by amanitamusc
bump

Re: What is the nature of mind?

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:33 am
by amanitamusc
The nature of mind in Dzogchen is Kadak and Lundup nondual.

Re: What is the nature of mind?

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:02 pm
by Queequeg
Buddhanature.

Re: What is the nature of mind?

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:57 pm
by florin
Some Buddhas are sentient beings in disguise, the others are just Buddhas

Re: What is the nature of mind?

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:55 pm
by Grigoris
florin wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:57 pm
Some Buddhas are sentient beings in disguise, the others are just Buddhas
:twothumbsup: