Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:13 pm
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That’s also how I see the progressively deeper views of emptiness up to Madhaymaka. At that point you can actually see for yourself there isn’t any logical/empirical way to see things.Or take quantum physics, where new scientific discovers might disprove or modify old theories; its like the more you discover, the more you don't know and possibly un-learn
Well, it seems that way, but that’s only because you’re taught in a process of progressive de-simplification.
PeterC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:22 pmWell, it seems that way, but that’s only because you’re taught in a process of progressive de-simplification.
When you’re, say, ten or twelve, you write “f=mv” in a physics test, and the teacher marks it correct.
A few years later if you write that, it’s wrong, because you should be writing “df = m dv”. What you were taught earlier was an approximation that works under certain circumstances: now you’re learning the more general case.
Then a few years later, that’s wrong too, because you should be writing Del f = etc etc (lack of notation tools here), which itself is the more general case of the previous simplification you learned.
Then you get to university and you’re looking at the behavior of objects smaller than the Planck distance, and of course the approximations you learned earlier don’t work here, and your perspective again broadens.
This doesn’t mean f=mv was *wrong*. It worked perfectly well within the conditions where you were applying it, and still does. What you’re learning subsequently is just a more general statement of the relationship.
Death is inevitable! Fear and psychological suffering aren't!well wisher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:22 pmYeah good points, the context and scope of the facts being applied is important consideration too, as well as the intention of the facts being used for.
By those points then, the approximations of measurements and numbers for the sake of convenience would not be considered as a lie, it would be a reasonable fact for the sake of applied science for daily use.
It is no good when its used to purposely mislead or coerce people into some selfish harmful goals over others.
But you still need the 5 aggregate senses (eyes,ears,nose,mouth.body,mind) .. etc to be able to experience those facts
And to the point of the deceased, those worldly facts would fade away and no longer matters.
Sounds like a regular Inquisition.well wisher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:52 pmTo see through these negative emotions in our minds as being useless and surpass them: including fear, hatred, envy, jealousy ... etc.
And to see through the useless lies and uphold the beneficial truth.
Then be easily able to identify the fear-monging hateful condemners, so we do not participate in similar non-beneficial acts, and hopefully help them correct their erroneous ways to more positive & beneficial ways instead.
...well wisher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:34 pmYes might be, but I believe the Buddhist approach is more practical and respectful with less prying,Sounds like a regular Inquisition.
than compared to other possibly god-based religion inquisitors who possibly seeks to dominate or forcefully control others,
and possibly delights in seeking faults with others to boost their own ego at the expense of others, etc.
If there's no trouble or conflict, don't seek it. If it is not broken, don't fix it.
Only if it concerns you or your family directly, then seek a solution.
So yeah the scoping is still important too.
I'm glad you feel this way. These days, so many people get worked up about President Trump or the "Alt-Right" and even many Buddhists consider themselves "resisters."
Whether or not one finds someone or something obnoxious is a matter of preference, of opinion. Patterns are a "thing," though, and while over-generalizing is a fallacy, generalization is not despite the "politically correct" (and, necessarily politically motivated,) taboo against doing so in certain contexts that was popular in the 90's. Some people do find the majority of Christians to be "obnoxious" because of the very things that make them Christians. Many more will find "religious" or devout Christians to be unpleasant.
When I stand, I stand upon the Earth. When night arrives, the stars shimmer and the moon glows and beckons. If I were to go to it, how wondrous would that be? But if the moon were to come to me, what a disaster! And how much more so if the stars arrive? Complete obliteration.
I dunno... Js.It's all in the past now, do not worry.
Sounds like we may have some similarities in our personal experiences. That kind of intense experience can really bend our antennas out of shape when it comes to perceiving things clearly, and Buddhist practice can help with that.its just my own previous experience with one of my step-mon who was a Christian and very obnoxious in forcing her "gospel" onto me with very loud noise and in my face, so I ended up fleeing the apartment on my own for a few days to avoid conflict. She already left my father on her own several years ago.