Dechen Norbu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:43 pm
Still, Greg, never use this argument. We don't, or we should never, get to decide before birth which lives will or will not be precious.
I think you will find that in most cases the women that decide to terminate a pregnancy are not really concerned with the theoretical preciousness of human life, but with other more practical concerns. Neither are the men that impregnate the women without asking if they wish to be impregnated.
That said: I do not think that there are many woman out there that make the decision to terminate a pregnancy flippantly, but we cannot expect them to use Buddhist criteria when they make that decision (hell, I am theoretically a Buddhist and I make decisions that are not based on Buddhist criteria all the time). Plus I am not willing to deny women a right to control their own bodies, just because their action may tweak my moral outrage, or step on my theoretical toes.
Anyway, how do we know that a termination of pregnancy will bring more suffering than an unwanted child?
So, in closing: In Mahayana Buddhism we consider that the karmic outcome of an action is based on motivation. We do not enter into "Thou shalt not..." pronouncements as Abrahamists do. We do not judge an action just on the basis of the action itself and none of us here has developed the divine eye in order to know what the exact consequences of a specific action will be.
Like I said in my initial post in this thread: if we want to end abortion we need to end the causes and conditions that lead to abortion. Until then I will support women's right to choose a safe, legal, medical procedure..
Anything else is empty rhetoric, or just plain misogynist.