You guys keep writing interesting stuff and you reel me back while I'm putting more important things on hold!
Wayfarer wrote: ↑
Tue May 14, 2019 10:20 pm
I agree with Seeker's point - that one of the many consequences of climate change is that society is going to need to adapt alternative food sources, and reduce reliance on meat.
I think that's indisputable. But it will only become relevant if things get more or less sorted out by acting now in more important areas.
Unless some serious measures are taken now, I'm not sure we will have vegetables either. If things get as tough as predicted, what do you think will happen? War will be our end. We won't go slow due to food shortage. The most likely scenario is WW III. If things get really bad, the type of people that will rise to power will make Trump seem like an angel. Our dietary choices will matter little.
There might, after all, be actual large-scale famines and/or food shortages before too long, what with the mushrooming global population, and the decline in arable land due to environmental changes. I noticed a few years back, an small upsurge of articles about whether people could adapt to eating food derived from insects. The story died down again, but I had the suspicion that someone was putting up a trial balloon about it.
There are already episodes of large scale famine, but on third and second world countries. The moment they hit hard first world countries, it's open war. We won't have time to adapt. I don't want to sound like a catastrophist, but I don't see a slow fading if things get worse fast. It's not climate changes that will kill us. We will take care of that first. Some people seem unaware of that scenario.
Accordingly, it's no coincidence that meat replacement food technology companies Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat have both had very successful IPO's in the recent past.
David Lee, CFO for Impossible Foods, said “We have cracked the molecular code for meat and built an industry-leading intellectual property portfolio and brand. Our global financial partners are supporting a technology powerhouse that will transform the global food system.”
I'm aware of that. It's fascinating and a possible solution, but so far it's economically unviable. The energy requirements of such labs in large scale make them a pipe dream unless we make some serious breakthrough in energy production.
Let's hope they can do it, because it is something that needs to happen, along with electric vehicles, universal solar power, and many other factors.
They need time. Lots of it. And a shit load of public funding. But if we lose public opinion on what needs to be done right now to counteract climatic changes, such will not happen. So it's important to tread lightly and choose battles wisely. If we spook people by telling them they have to change their diets to fight climate changes, a minor point compared to what really needs to be done, support is lost. Then nothing gets done. If we let people push their own agendas piggybacking climate changes discussion we are being unwise.
By far, vegetarianism is not the worse agenda being pushed, but many people react strongly against it. Maybe it's because vegans (and unfortunately vegetarians by association) are often compared to jehova's witnesses, pestering others with their beliefs, pushing too hard, becoming intolerant.
The vegan ideal is admirable. I have the deepest respect for it. Most vegans I know are not and I know a few. Some have serious eating disorders. That's how something really admirable turns to shit. It only needs to be represented by the wrong people.
Gladly, I have some vegetarian friends and teachers who are amazing human beings. Otherwise I would think being a vegetarian seriously affected the though process and behavior in a very negative way.
So I guess this may become an unnecessary distraction when compared to the overall scenario. We just need to give voice to enough militant vegetarians. This thread is a good example.
Johnny also made very good points on his post. I couldn't agree more. Saying this here saves me from cluttering this topic more than I already did.
Btw, did you see my comments to your post before this conversation about vegetarianism started? I was hopping to get your opinion on that.
All the best!