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So this gym rat says to me

Post by Queequeg » Wed May 15, 2019 11:36 pm

Meditation doesn't work.

I just said, "oh?"

"Yeah, man. Meditation is so beta."

https://boldanddetermined.com/meditation/
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by Dechen Norbu » Wed May 15, 2019 11:39 pm

:rolling:

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Post by joy&peace » Thu May 16, 2019 12:43 am

What does that term mean, Queequeg?
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Post by Motova » Thu May 16, 2019 1:18 am

joy&peace wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 12:43 am
What does that term mean, Queequeg?
Beta males are essentially feminine and physically weak men.

Alpha males are tough guys.

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Post by SunWuKong » Thu May 16, 2019 1:27 am

Urban Dictionary
Beta, definition #2
A beta is a male who, instead of being alpha and manning up, completely bitches out. Can apply to many situations, but often refers to scenarios with women.
Guy 1: Bro, hook me up with that girl's friend
Guy 2: frak that. I'm going to double up with both of them. Stop being such a beta.
#alpha#alpha male#bitch#pussy#sackless
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I left him this comment: LOL : ) I SEE WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS VIKTOR, YOU ARE DOING IT ALL WRONG. YOU SELL BOOKS TO LOSERS WHO WANT TO "IMPROVE" THEMSELVES LOL. I'LL GIVE UP MY MEDITATION WHEN THEY PRY MY SUPERPOWERS FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS. OH YEAH VIKTOR "READ THIS FINGER!"
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Post by Thomas Amundsen » Thu May 16, 2019 1:45 am

You want and need a big ego to survive and thrive in the real world.
Ah, now it makes sense. :lol:

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Post by Thomas Amundsen » Thu May 16, 2019 1:49 am

This blog almost reads like satire.
If humility were truly a virtue we would turn on our TV's and worship humble and dirty street beggars, on their knees begging and crying for pennies, instead of worshiping big ego sports stars, actors and TV personalities.

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Post by smcj » Thu May 16, 2019 2:01 am

Diet and exercise don’t work either. I know. I’ve tried that dozens of times.
1. No traditional Buddhist sect, Tibetan or otherwise, considers deities to be fictional. (DW post/Seeker242)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against Lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
4. Shentong] is the completely pure system that, through mainly teaching the luminous aspect of the mind, holds that the fruitions--kayas and wisdoms--exist on their own accord. (Karmapa XIII)

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Post by Yavana » Thu May 16, 2019 2:47 am

smcj wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 2:01 am
Diet and exercise don’t work either. I know. I’ve tried that dozens of times.
Try smoking.

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Post by Thomas Amundsen » Thu May 16, 2019 2:56 am

smcj wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 2:01 am
Diet and exercise don’t work either. I know. I’ve tried that dozens of times.
Work for what though? This guy just wants a better samsara... 10 times out of 10 when someone tells me that Buddhism or meditation doesn't work, I find out they have some kind of motivation connected to the eight worldly concerns.

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Post by DharmaN00b » Thu May 16, 2019 7:59 am

This is madness!
If you are drunk here is the submit post button. Submit post

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Post by Simon E. » Thu May 16, 2019 8:47 am

It’s the norm.
In all dealings with the world if we forget that we are the minority and that we hold views that are not valued by most then we are doomed to perpetual puzzlement.. :smile:
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Post by Queequeg » Thu May 16, 2019 1:19 pm

Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 2:56 am
smcj wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 2:01 am
Diet and exercise don’t work either. I know. I’ve tried that dozens of times.
Work for what though? This guy just wants a better samsara... 10 times out of 10 when someone tells me that Buddhism or meditation doesn't work, I find out they have some kind of motivation connected to the eight worldly concerns.
£$&^@ wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:47 am
It’s the norm.
In all dealings with the world if we forget that we are the minority and that we hold views that are not valued by most then we are doomed to perpetual puzzlement.. :smile:
Yes and yes.

When I read this, it made me laugh, pretty much for these two reasons.

The blog is just so over the top. The comments are hilarious also. There is one where a commenter asks about Victor's recommendation to go to a coffee shop with no electronic devices and just be, and how that's different than meditation. His response is that its a common prescription by mental health counselors to address anxiety. He says something like, "My sister was prescribed this therapy. Its legit." I imagine Viktor sitting at a computer, protein shake at hand, kind of hunched over the keyboard, with his over developed meat hooks, laboriously typing with two index fingers.

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Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Post by Dechen Norbu » Thu May 16, 2019 1:26 pm

:lol:

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Post by Jainarayan » Thu May 16, 2019 3:11 pm

smcj wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 2:01 am
Diet and exercise don’t work either. I know. I’ve tried that dozens of times.
Truly. They say abs are made in the kitchen. Well, I'm always in the kitchen and I ain't seen no abs!

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Post by Tlalok » Thu May 16, 2019 3:36 pm

Phagmo Drupa wrote:By transcending the duality of meditation and meditator, external and internal realities, the meditating awareness dissolves itself into its luminous clarity. Transcending the intellect, it is without the duality of meditation and post-meditation. Such is the quintessence of mind
Lol he accidentally stumbled onto Mahamudra.

His description of meditation increasing anxiety makes me think that he naturally suffers from some anxiety condition and needs constant stimulation to keep the demon down. Poor fella.

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Post by Mantrik » Thu May 16, 2019 7:35 pm

I once belonged to a gym where coincidentally the staff were all instructors in different martial arts. As
a member I added my shit Yoshinkan Aikido to the party, another Kickboxing and another Capoeira....and so it went on.

Instead of weights, we often spent our time in a back room teaching each other. No egos...... even from the Muay Thai guy*. ;)

It was the best gym I have ever been to. Miss those days.

There's an even chance that someone who made a remark about meditation would have been invited to train, gently, in a world of pain. :)

* I lied, there was no Muay Thai guy. Greg was way too young then. lol :)
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Post by mechashivaz » Thu May 16, 2019 8:27 pm

Tlalok wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 3:36 pm
Phagmo Drupa wrote:By transcending the duality of meditation and meditator, external and internal realities, the meditating awareness dissolves itself into its luminous clarity. Transcending the intellect, it is without the duality of meditation and post-meditation. Such is the quintessence of mind
Lol he accidentally stumbled onto Mahamudra.

His description of meditation increasing anxiety makes me think that he naturally suffers from some anxiety condition and needs constant stimulation to keep the demon down. Poor fella.
I'd say that describes a huge portion of the population. Many people can't handle being alone with their thoughts, which inevitably happens in some meditations, especially when the mind is not yet tamed and runs all over. The link is about saying they'd rather receive electric shocks than be alone w their thoughts.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/07 ... r-thoughts

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Post by Tlalok » Thu May 16, 2019 8:35 pm

mechashivaz wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:27 pm
Tlalok wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 3:36 pm
Phagmo Drupa wrote:By transcending the duality of meditation and meditator, external and internal realities, the meditating awareness dissolves itself into its luminous clarity. Transcending the intellect, it is without the duality of meditation and post-meditation. Such is the quintessence of mind
Lol he accidentally stumbled onto Mahamudra.

His description of meditation increasing anxiety makes me think that he naturally suffers from some anxiety condition and needs constant stimulation to keep the demon down. Poor fella.
I'd say that describes a huge portion of the population. Many people can't handle being alone with their thoughts, which inevitably happens in some meditations, especially when the mind is not yet tamed and runs all over. The link is about saying they'd rather receive electric shocks than be alone w their thoughts.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/07 ... r-thoughts
Oh aye, I totally understand. During my depressive periods I felt similar. It's good to "talk to some iron" about it sometimes and lift the pain away. Its at least more healthy than drinking about it. Its funny that increased meditation would actually help his tendency to "overthink" everything and be at ease being still.

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