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Greta Thunberg

Post by kalden yungdrung » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:59 am

Tashi delek,

No doubt about it, a great Bodhisattva this Greta Thunberg.
She has the Heart of Compassion with Wisdom.
We know her from her efforts to save our planet........, which "we" spoiled for our grand children.

Hope she will found a political party in Europe and outside Europe, which goes for our climate and future world.
Guess this will boom and have many teenagers as future voters, those who mostly do not vote will vote.

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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by PSM » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:24 pm

She is being used as a viral marketing campaign: http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/01 ... l-complex/

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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Mantrik » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:33 pm

As I understand it:

A child is exposed to what is presented to her as a worrying issue at a very early age. She has a personality charactersitic (autism) which means that she is unable to escape from obsession with it, which in turn leads to depression and elective mute behaviour.

Her parents seem to encourage the obsession and she ends up holding a one person school strike.
At this point the media are informed and she becomes public property, gradually being exposed to more people and organisations who see advantage in using her for their own ends and encouraging more high profile campaigning.

Leaving aside sinister stories which may or may not be true, the burden she is carrying for those who are manipulating her, even for positive reasons, will probably soon break her.
It cannot be helped by media references to her, of which she is well aware, as a mentally ill child.

No doubt she will then be canonised, as reflected in the OP, or worse, a posthumous martyrdom if instead of falling mute she becomes suicidal. And yes, that is something I see as a serious possibility for this child. Sadly, some will also be able to use even this as a PR opportunity.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Queequeg » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:39 pm

The proper response, Mantrik, whatever her fate is... Pick up our shit and hump. She should not be carrying the weight. We are the shits who haven't done enough.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Simon E. » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:44 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:33 pm
As I understand it:

A child is exposed to what is presented to her as a worrying issue at a very early age. She has a personality charactersitic (autism) which means that she is unable to escape from obsession with it, which in turn leads to depression and elective mute behaviour.

Her parents seem to encourage the obsession and she ends up holding a one person school strike.
At this point the media are informed and she becomes public property, gradually being exposed to more people and organisations who see advantage in using her for their own ends and encouraging more high profile campaigning.

Leaving aside sinister stories which may or may not be true, the burden she is carrying for those who are manipulating her, even for positive reasons, will probably soon break her.
It cannot be helped by media references to her, of which she is well aware, as a mentally ill child.

No doubt she will then be canonised, as reflected in the OP, or worse, a posthumous martyrdom if instead of falling mute she becomes suicidal. And yes, that is something I see as a serious possibility for this child. Sadly, some will also be able to use even this as a PR opportunity.
I am reluctant to agree, and I am not a climate change denier, but I agree. Watching her address to the UN I worried for her personally.
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Post by Könchok Thrinley » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:54 pm

The same here. Poor kid to a certain degree, I am afraid she might be used... I just hope this is what is needed for people to wake up a little and do something for the climate for real.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Matt J » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:58 pm

Of course, none of us has the full story, and the truth is probably in the middle, but it is interesting the widespread resistance to the idea that a young, neurodivergent girl could be self-empowered. Here’s her take:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 6497083173
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Nemo » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:21 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:39 pm
The proper response, Mantrik, whatever her fate is... Pick up our shit and hump. She should not be carrying the weight. We are the shits who haven't done enough.
Agreed.


People with Aspergers often have problems understanding lying. This is how my right wing acquaintances are processing her telling what as far as I know is almost a scientific certainty.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Simon E. » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:30 pm

Matt J wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:58 pm
Of course, none of us has the full story, and the truth is probably in the middle, but it is interesting the widespread resistance to the idea that a young, neurodivergent girl could be self-empowered. Here’s her take:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 6497083173
I have no resistance to such an idea. I am basing my view of her psychological state on
my experience in working with adolescents displaying high levels of stress associated with cognitive dissonance. I am not speculating about the cause of that dissonance or denying the reality of the situation she is highlighting.
“The difference between us and Tara is that she knows she doesn’t exist”.

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Post by Nemo » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:52 pm

Simon E. wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:30 pm
Matt J wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:58 pm
Of course, none of us has the full story, and the truth is probably in the middle, but it is interesting the widespread resistance to the idea that a young, neurodivergent girl could be self-empowered. Here’s her take:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 6497083173
I have no resistance to such an idea. I am basing my view of her psychological state on
my experience in working with adolescents displaying high levels of stress associated with cognitive dissonance. I am not speculating about the cause of that dissonance or denying the reality of the situation she is highlighting.
Some stats I saw see a few hundred million climate refugees and the carrying capacity of the earth dropping by a few billion people. We went through all these scenarios in the military once Camp Century melted. It was supposed to last for centuries and never thaw. Canada won't be too bad if we can keep out the riff raff. We gain a significant amount of arable land and have resources of uranium, petroleum, steel, aluminum, potash etc. We are already preparing on a strategic level betting on the fact that global superpowers are corrupt oligarchies that will simply let the world burn to protect their wealth. One dead kid won't mean anything once the party starts.


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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Simon E. » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:02 pm

Erm...that’s nice? Or alternatively that’s bad! Take your pick. I have no frak idea what point you are making.

As usual.
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Post by Queequeg » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:10 pm

Spot on, Nemo.

The climate changing is really a material matter. Material is relatively speaking manageable. The real problems are gong to be social and political caused by the mass migration of people.

A volkerwandurung is coming. The clamor for walls is just starting. Those border regions may well turn into killing fields.

If even those conservative forecasts bear out, things are going to be really ugly.

But as is our running disagreement, I'm not ready to give up and retreat just yet. There are still opportunities. I'm still making contingency plans.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Matt J » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:12 pm

I am thinking of the hysteria she has evidently triggered in the right wing media (at least in the US).

Simon E. wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:30 pm

I have no resistance to such an idea. I am basing my view of her psychological state on
my experience in working with adolescents displaying high levels of stress associated with cognitive dissonance. I am not speculating about the cause of that dissonance or denying the reality of the situation she is highlighting.
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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:17 pm

Nemo wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:21 pm

People with Aspergers often have problems understanding lying. This is how my right wing acquaintances are processing her telling what as far as I know is almost a scientific certainty.
Right wing propaganda is so head spinning these days, the party courting actual Nazi's accusing anti-fascists of being Nazis...never thought anything would make me long for the days of Tea Party propaganda.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Simon E. » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:24 pm

I am thinking of her.
I thought it was clear that was my interest in the thread. I am not not denying the catastrophic impact of climate change , but there are many debates concerning that, everyone is an expert. I was responding to and sharing Matriks concern for the well being of a young women.
I should have known that it would not be possible without the usual conspiracy theories, ancient military memoirs, and self righteousness.
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Post by DharmaN00b » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:56 pm

Greta opening words at the climate action summit were: "this is all wrong, I shouldn't be up here."

Well she is :smile:

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Post by Ayu » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:17 pm

Whatever is her fate - she's wonderful.
An outstanding personality.
For the benefit and ease of all sentient beings. :heart:

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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Nemo » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:39 pm

Simon E. wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:02 pm
Erm...that’s nice? Or alternatively that’s bad! Take your pick. I have no frak idea what point you are making.

As usual.
it's odd how someone would take their work experience and apply it to a situation? If not for various malign political machinations she would not have they psych trauma you see afflicting her. There would be nothing to heal in the first place. Isn't preventative medicine better than triage and palliative care?

I am endlessly fascinated by the machinations of the new right to protect the fossil fuel industry. Largely because I was taught about climate change by military intelligence analysts and the Conservative government of the day saw it as the greatest existential threat to Canada. This change in direction points to the puppet masters and how they run things. Propaganda is both the problem and solution to the current crisis. I get that many people are so old it doesn't effect them so they don't care. But if you have kids you need to be prepared.

The experts all seem to be in agreement. At least if this chart by Reagan's former conservative science advisor is correct. Which it probably is since it is peer reviewed.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Mantrik » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:30 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:39 pm
The proper response, Mantrik, whatever her fate is... Pick up our shit and hump. She should not be carrying the weight. We are the shits who haven't done enough.
I spent decades working with children in their teens, many thousands of them. I really am very worried for her, and were she in the UK and displaying this behaviour, and with her history, I would want to be satisfied that professionals were being involved in her care. Perhaps they are, I don't know.

I expressed an anxiety for her well-being and in one forum was accused of hate speech, misogyny, etc etc. as so many people come to this with preconceptions or media-led views rather than any experience of such children.

The proper response is a personal matter, but I want to separate her from the phenomenon, in which she is catalytic.

Perhaps look at this from the compassionate standpoint, maybe greater good and least harm, as we see it individually.

My response to her is to wish her a long and happy life, free from harmful influencers and conditions.

My response to the phenomenon of protest around climate change is indeed that we should all do whatever we can to improve our environment and put pressure on our leaders to make wider changes.

My response to Extinction Rebellion is that they need to stop alienating their fellow citizens, 'do a Greenpeace' and take it to the Indians and Chinese. Without massive change from them, protesting against the UK etc. is like complaining about a rock pool getting your feet wet whilst a tsunami is approaching.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Nemo » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:36 pm

Mantrik wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:30 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:39 pm
The proper response, Mantrik, whatever her fate is... Pick up our shit and hump. She should not be carrying the weight. We are the shits who haven't done enough.
I spent decades working with children in their teens, many thousands of them. I really am very worried for her, and were she in the UK and displaying this behaviour, and with her history, I would want to be satisfied that professionals were being involved in her care. Perhaps they are, I don't know.

I expressed an anxiety for her well-being and in one forum was accused of hate speech, misogyny, etc etc. as so many people come to this with preconceptions or media-led views rather than any experience of such children.

The proper response is a personal matter, but I want to separate her from the phenomenon, in which she is catalytic.

Perhaps look at this from the compassionate standpoint, maybe greater good and least harm, as we see it individually.

My response to her is to wish her a long and happy life, free from harmful influencers and conditions.

My response to the phenomenon of protest around climate change is indeed that we should all do whatever we can to improve our environment and put pressure on our leaders to make wider changes.

My response to Extinction Rebellion is that they need to stop alienating their fellow citizens, 'do a Greenpeace' and take it to the Indians and Chinese. Without massive change from them, protesting against the UK etc. is like complaining about a rock pool getting your feet wet whilst a tsunami is approaching.
The flip side for her is she has seen that she can literally change the entire world through sheer force of will. This will greatly mitigate any long term damage. Most troubled teens feel vulnerable and ineffectual.

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