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Climate rebels

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Tashi delek,

We get world wide some progress regarding climate change and the people who go on the streets for it. :thanks:

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CLIMATE REBELS:

Thousands of Extinction Rebellion demonstrators are in the streets in cities around the world demanding governments take immediate and drastic action to address climate change. We're watching activists in Germany blocking a major Berlin intersection. Dozens have already been arrested this morning in other countries, including Australia, Amsterdam, and New Zealand.

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Extinction Rebellion is a relatively new group, formed about a year ago in England with an impressive amount of forethought about what needs doing and how to go about it. It is growing fast, and has absorbed at least one smaller protest group entirely - the members all said "Let's join XR so we have more organisational support."

Here's the home page - https://rebellion.earth

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... and here's what they have been doing in Australia in the last few days - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-08/ ... e/11581382
They are certainly getting some attention!

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There is growing evidence that a group of sincere activists is being manipulated by a core of extreme -right Entryists.
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Simon E. wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:02 am There is growing evidence that a group of sincere activists is being manipulated by a core of extreme -right Entryists.
Tashi delek,

Yes that is also what i have heard / read.
Who would that be and what would be the reason to manipulate these activists ?

Can imagine myself that some wealthy persons feel themselves uncomfortable with these climate activists and will sure take their preparations.
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If the entryist theory is correct. The rightwingers are urging action from within that will discredit the genuine protesters.
The same tactic is being deployed by the PRC among the protesters in Hong Kong.
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Simon E. wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:16 am If the entryist theory is correct. The rightwingers are urging action from within that will discredit the genuine protesters.
The same tactic is being deployed by the PRC among the protesters in Hong Kong.
Oh i see infiltration, is here the tactic.
That is of course a strategy to weaken the protesters who go on the street.

In case of political green parties there is another strategy some of the billionaires will follow.

In the Democracy is it like that, if a party has scored the majority of the votes, that party must form a coalition with minority parties to rule.

Here also can take place a certain infiltration from the rich ones who rule indirect the government.
It is very difficult to stop that "infiltration" of the 1%.

Also have i so my doubts regarding the correct functioning of the "electronic" voting system international seen,,,,,,,
Here is on large scale fraud possible, also a way of infiltration, strategy.

So its not easy to make changes in a short time possible, because the 1% are too fixed into the saddle since a very long time and here i mean at least 1200 years of infiltration and dirty politics like war, slavery etc.
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Below links are news articles from the extinction rebellion blocking bridges & traffic.
While I agree with their general message overall, maybe blocking traffic entirely does seem a bit too extreme. (Maybe at least let the ambulances through?)
Still, I guess they really want convey the urgency of the matter.
Money would become quite useless if environmental issues & living conditions becomes extremely dire for the majority.
And I think they really do have a valid point about what would happen if mass flooding happens ABOVE bridge and road levels; yikes, very dire situation to imagine indeed!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/07/worldwid ... -10873570/
"Worldwide Extinction Rebellion protests shut down cities from Madrid to Sydney"

https://www.dw.com/en/extinction-rebell ... a-50718803
"Extinction Rebellion blocks Berlin traffic in worldwide day of protests"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal ... -1.5312971
"3 in custody after climate protest climb closes Montreal's Jacques-Cartier Bridge to traffic"

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-ne ... bal-action
"Climate protesters gather near downtown bridge, clogging Monday's commute"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.5311439
"20 Protesters arrested at climate protest that blocked Bloor Viaduct traffic"
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What? No torture? Just "some may die"' and then call it a day? So terribly disappointed...
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cyril wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:45 am What? No torture? Just "some may die"' and then call it a day? So terribly disappointed...
No need to be disappointed - torture is standard operating procedure under many of today's (perfectly legal) governments.

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Kim O'Hara wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:39 am
cyril wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:45 am What? No torture? Just "some may die"' and then call it a day? So terribly disappointed...
No need to be disappointed - torture is standard operating procedure under many of today's (perfectly legal) governments.

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Very true fact yet unfortunately fact in today's age of dharma degeneration.
The recent trends definitely favours even more Authoritarian governments all over the world, and abuse against its ordinary citizen, including measures such as overly strict suddenly made up or unreasonable laws, and more dramatic punishments of: increasing fines/jail-time/torture/etc.
In this case, it is the money-obsessed law enforcers branch of the the governments, along with their big-corporate backers, that are imprisoning these climate rebels and justice fighters.
Also, it seems many politicians are only willing to pay lip services for their climate & environmental commitments.

It seems that only the financially wealthy can buy favours and court justice, based on my own basic observation and experiences.
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well wisher wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:52 pm
It seems that only the financially wealthy can buy favours and court justice, based on my own basic observation and experiences.
Speaking of which....
Extinction Rebellion gets posher by the day. Last week it was announced that the 1,300 agitators arrested in London included Princess Marie-Esméralda of Belgium, daughter of Leopold III. ‘The climate emergency calls on all of us to put pressure on governments to act with urgency’, she said.
A little further down the aristocratic scale there is Tamsin Omond, the granddaughter of a baronet. She’s a former member of the implacably snobby anti-flying group Plane Stupid, whose website once denounced the ‘enormous growth in binge-flying’ and in particular the ‘proliferation of stag and hen nights to Eastern European destinations chosen not for their architecture or culture but because people can fly there for 99p and get loaded for a tenner’.

We shouldn’t be surprised. Environmentalism has long had a strong streak of class hatred. From the filthy rich David de Rothschild’s 2007 guide to living more austerely to Jonathon Porritt (the Eton-educated son of Lord Porritt) heading up Friends of the Earth; from Prince Charles’ demand that we all live more eco-meekly to Prince Harry’s shameless moaning about flying even as he takes a private jet to Elton John’s swanky pad; from Plane Stupid’s posh protests against plebs flying out of Stansted Airport to the sirs and ladies who head up the various efforts to curb population growth (shudder) – green politics has always been led by the posh, and has always been targeted at the lower orders.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/1 ... ing-class/
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Extinction Rebellion is not about climate according to one of its co-founders:

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"Extinction Rebellion isn't only about climate" would be more accurate, but there's a limit to how much stuff you can fit on one facebook meme.

From their website:
About Us

Extinction Rebellion is an international movement that uses non-violent civil disobedience in an attempt to halt mass extinction and minimise the risk of social collapse. ...

Each generation is given two things: one is the gift of the world, and the other is the duty of keeping it safe for those to come. The generations of yesterday trust those of today not to take more than their share, and those of tomorrow trust their elders to care for it.

The contract is broken, and it is happening on our watch. A pathological obsession with money and profit is engineering this breakdown. Warped and spiritually desolate, this system is contemptuous of humanity and the living world, and held in place by a toxic media (power without truth); by toxic finance (power without compassion); and toxic politics (power without principle).

The world’s resources are being seized faster than the natural world can replenish them. Children can do the maths on this, and know they are being sent the bill. And the young are in rebellion now. This is their time, their fire. The flame is theirs and they are lighting the way. ...

Act Now

We are unprepared for the danger our future holds. We face floods, wildfires, extreme weather, crop failure, mass displacement and the breakdown of society. The time for denial is over. It is time to act.

Conventional approaches of voting, lobbying, petitions and protest have failed because powerful political and economic interests prevent change. Our strategy is therefore one of non-violent, disruptive civil disobedience – a rebellion. ...
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cyril wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:57 am
well wisher wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:52 pm
It seems that only the financially wealthy can buy favours and court justice, based on my own basic observation and experiences.
Speaking of which....
Extinction Rebellion gets posher by the day. ...
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/1 ... ing-class/
When the :rolleye: stopped, I checked Wikipedia ...
Spiked (also written as sp!ked) is a British Internet magazine focusing on politics, culture and society. The magazine was founded in 2001 with the same editor and many of the same contributors as Living Marxism, which had closed in 2000 after being sued for libel by ITN.[2][3] It is funded in part by donations from the Charles Koch Foundation.[4][5][6] ...

Environmentalists such as George Monbiot[27][20] and Peter Melchett have suggested that the group of writers associated with LM, several of whom went on to form the core editorial group at Spiked, continue to constitute a 'LM Network' pursuing an ideologically motivated 'anti-environmentalist' agenda under the guise of promoting Humanism.[28][29] Writers who used to write for Living Marxism reject this as a 'McCarthyite' conspiracy theory.[30] Monbiot described their views as having, "less in common with the left than with the fanatical right."[31]

The Spiked network has been active in campaigning for the UK to leave the European Union, with a number of its activists being involved in Nigel Farage's Brexit Party as candidates or publicists.[32][33][34][20][35] ...
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Read it all if you like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiked_(magazine) - but basically, Spiked attacks anything that looks leftish, doing so in the name of libertarianism and with no regard whatsoever for fairness or accuracy.

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It's a safe bet to pick any article at random and assume that it was written by one with a ghoulish propensity. To be stridently gleeful over disaster, failure and suffering is so egregious even for a non practitioner.



Of course it helps to have well read guardians on watch if only to keep cynicism at bay!?
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Could anyone kindly explain the rationale behind blocking the public transport? I thought that's a desirable alternative to private cars.

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Yup..E.R. are busily shooting themselves in the foot. I watched an interview with a man who works for a charitable organisation in London. He had been persuaded by the Green argument previously, to sell his car and use public transport. Only to find it disrupted by Extinction Rebellion protesters. The result was he missed a vital appointment which in turn disadvantaged some already very disadvantaged clients..
In London, a very liberal minded city, one that voted Remain and which supports a whole range of left of centre causes, and which elected a Socialist mayor, the support for E.R. is rapidly turning to hostility...
Dumb tactics.
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Simon E. wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:30 am Yup..E.R. are busily shooting themselves in the foot. I watched an interview with a man who works for a charitable organisation in London. He had been persuaded by the Green argument previously, to sell his car and use public transport. Only to find it disrupted by Extinction Rebellion protesters. The result was he missed a vital appointment which in turn disadvantaged some already very disadvantaged clients..
In London, a very liberal minded city, one that voted Remain and which supports a whole range of left of centre causes, and which elected a Socialist mayor, the support for E.R. is rapidly turning to hostility...
Dumb tactics.
Suddenly 'it weren't us govn'r' arises as the culprits were supposedly from a fringe group and not core ER. Then ER apologised once it was clear it was them.
Comes on the back of Greta telling them all to defy the law and the police ban, however.
When the guy on the train roof kicked a member of the public as the initial act of violent assault, not 'self defence' as ER claim, it was bound to end badly. This is a bunch of entitled idiots who even afterwards were still claiming that although we already know their argument they still need to cause disruption.
I suggest they try throwing themselves under trains instead.
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It’s interesting, the first footage of the incident I saw did not show that the initial violence came from the protestor on the train roof. It just showed him being dragged off. Subsequent coverage commences a few seconds earlier and shows him clearly and deliberately kicking one of the commuters in the face, which then escalates into a melee.
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