Elon Musk vimana to Mars

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Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Aemilius » Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:43 pm

Elon Musk is building a vimana that can take 100 persons to Mars,

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Simon E. » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:03 pm

yay.
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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by DharmaN00b » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:07 am

pre-mature yay, :coffee:

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Simon E. » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:40 am

Extremely ironic and underwhelmed yay in my case actually.
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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Vasana » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:54 am

He would be better off spending more money on trees and reforestation on Earth.

Priorities.
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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by ShantiPeace » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:45 pm

Absolutely. I would say it's very irresponsible to say the least.

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Aemilius » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:21 pm

Why can't you admit the great courage Elon Musk and his financers have in going forward with this ground breaking amazing plan and idea?
The idea of planting trees is anyway constantly carried out in different parts of the world. You check out the WWF what they are doing in this field, and how You can participate in it!
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They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Sarvē mānavāḥ svatantrāḥ samutpannāḥ vartantē api ca, gauravadr̥śā adhikāradr̥śā ca samānāḥ ēva vartantē. Ētē sarvē cētanā-tarka-śaktibhyāṁ susampannāḥ santi. Api ca, sarvē’pi bandhutva-bhāvanayā parasparaṁ vyavaharantu."
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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Sādhaka » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:56 pm

You can’t really go wrong with planting trees; but Earth and it’s people need a lot more than that in terms of healing.

Therefore I have to agree that until a lot more healing takes place here, things like nasa & space x are only money pits.

Suppose other planets are inhabited by other beings: We would only be bringing our mental illness to them, as we haven’t even fixed ourselves and our own surroundings.

I’ve always wanted to get beamed up and taken to a better plane(t), but now I wonder if outer space as depicted by nasa etc. even exists as presented to us.... I’m not saying that it’s all an complete hoax for sure; I just wonder sometimes....

Now if I could get in on that supposed ride to Mars with 99 other people and see for myself.... So if Elon Musk & them can really do it if only to prove that outer space conventionally exists as presented to us, then why not I suppose.

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by ShantiPeace » Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:20 pm

Para 1, agree.

2, agree.

3;

Well, no. We would not 'only' be bringing bad things --

we would also be bringing Dharma, all our hopes, best ideas, dreams, and everything else...

We would likely put our best foot forward, because we would want it to succeed.

Among other things, base would be a physical requirement withstand space.

4;

Space is mostly empty. There's nothing but rocks for millions of miles, ...

But, there are habitable worlds, we are fairly sure.

5;

Sadhaka, I often enjoy your posts very much.

However there are numerous errors in all of this.

..

Why we should not do this plan is the destruction of it.

Jet fuel and rocket full are much more high powered than 'normal' gasoline.

It takes something like a thousand pounds of fuel to send one pound of -anything into space.

The cost of this, is enormous.


I do believe there are other options for colonizing space.

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:03 pm

Vasana wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:54 am
He would be better off spending more money on trees and reforestation on Earth.

Priorities.
When you think about kind of wealth that goes into stuff like Space X, it’s pretty gross. Especially because once we have colonized space, it will only be people like Musk benefitting, if the world of today is any indication.
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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by DharmaN00b » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:08 pm

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Queequeg » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:14 pm

Sādhaka wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:56 pm
Suppose other planets are inhabited by other beings: We would only be bringing our mental illness to them, as we haven’t even fixed ourselves and our own surroundings.
Oh, silly. They're only taking the super-people - the genetically perfect, and then some others who can bribe their way on board. They're leaving the rest of us cuckoos here to choke to death on our own waste.
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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by ShantiPeace » Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:53 pm

Yeah, that's not funny. Queequeg,

I would repost another's question, where is the positivity in the Buddhist sense here?

It words it pretty acucurately.

It seems that this is only intended to distract and confuse,

Unless I am mistaken?

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by ShantiPeace » Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:54 pm

Is that a reference to what I said, that there would be a physical test?

I mean that's just basic, you can't send someone who can't survive 7-9 gs.

They would just die.

And it's no a criticism, its like, redicuously difficult

..
E.g

Diving under the ocean, no one can really stand 6 gs

(G in this case is 1 normal earth gravity.

So, 6 gs is 6 times, etc.)

Anyway.

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by justsit » Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:26 pm

ShantiPeace wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:53 pm
Yeah, that's not funny. Queequeg,

I would repost another's question, where is the positivity in the Buddhist sense here?

It words it pretty acucurately.

It seems that this is only intended to distract and confuse,

Unless I am mistaken?
No, it isn't funny. But sadly, entirely likely.

There's a difference between positivity and naivete. Realistically, only those who can afford it will get a seat; the huddled masses will not be welcome. The rich think that by checking out, they can avoid the coming debacle on Earth. They will get a big nasty surprise when they find they can't escape human nature.

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by ShantiPeace » Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:59 pm

Yes🌵🍃
But think about this, a nano-bot making self-replicas could single-handedly

Create a space station or ecosystem.

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Queequeg » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:55 pm

Sarcasm doesn't seem to get across.

Is sarcasm funny?



Anyway, if the plan to avert the coming disaster is escape, doesn't sound like a real plan. If people think Mars or space offers a better chance at human survival, they can't be taken seriously at all. Actually, people who think that are bat shit nuts. They've watched too much Star Trek or something.

Personally I think it's great that some people are pushing the limits of engineering. Stopping these efforts because there is so much wrong here is a valid argument but I think it only goes so far. Our problems are basically systemic in our civilization. The accumulation of wealth that makes vanity projects like Space X possible are symptoms of the systemic problems.

Shit is deeply broken.
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And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by ShantiPeace » Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:08 pm

:focus:

No, no one of any view is "bat shit nuts."

Even if someone is wrong about something, it doesn't make them crazy.

People rejected the idea of space flight, what to speak of regular flight, but they weren't crazy, they just didn't think it was possible.

It didn't seem possible, but it was.

The path to space colonization may lie in something like nano-technology, or bio-engineerig, or any one of a number of ideas.

We do know, what eventually may be the most feasile.

Exploring these may be worthwhile,

But the present way is too costly..

Not simply money, which is valid, but to ecological and environmental cost, which is too high.

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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Könchok Thrinley » Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:27 pm

I find it interesting how Elon Musk is so often seen or presented as this visionary who uses his money to push the limits of humanity. It is laughable. I mean if he really was that great he would push his money into a research how to make nuclear power safer and more effective to the point where we could use even already used nuclear fuel. Or something actually realistic.

It is actually disheartening to see these people make so much money in one day that they could happily live nice modest lives for the rest of their lives.
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Re: Elon Musk vimana to Mars

Post by Wayfarer » Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:37 pm

I'm a total sceptic with regards to humans living anywhere other than Earth. We're never going to 'colonize space', the distances are simply too enormous, and the human body is uniquely adapted to living on earth. We have precisely one, and only one, spaceship, and it's overheating and overcrowded. Fantasies of interplanetary or interstellar travel are just a sublimated longing for heaven.
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