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Why Greta Thunberg Should Be Time’s Person of the Year

Post by Fortyeightvows » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:23 am

In this sense, the award to Greta Thunberg fits perfectly. In our shallow and mediocre times, today’s figures must not be too deep or complex. They must not be connected to any historical or religious narrative outside of their own evolving story. Their speech must be Twitter-friendly. The new models need not be exceptional as long as they defy standard definitions. Time typically picks those who can link themselves to all the liberal causes in vogue.

By naming Greta Thunberg, Time is presenting a perfect postmodern archetype. Her award might be better called the Archetype of the Year award. Like all archetypes, she serves as the model for which all other activists of the same type are representations. She is meant to represent “the power of youth” in rebellion against an adult-dominated world. Her story expresses well postmodernity’s rejection of Western Christian civilization.
Thus, Greta is not a deep thinker or an articulator. She is nothing more than a symbol. Hers is a fatalistic world of gloom and doom of either-or alternatives. She accepts no other explanations beyond the coming human extinction scenario, and, like a broken record, she repeats it over and over again.

She is not given to tact, subtlety or diplomacy. Instead, she demands vague and urgent action without specifics. Her message is cold, brutal and unpoetic. She will talk about the hopes of youth and the instability of ecosystems without transitions. Her discourse uses direct, simplistic terms that address her anger, rage, frustration and desperation.

She has no fondness for anything since she is the ultimate expression of anti-consumerism. She dresses in plain expressionless clothes without adornments or jewelry. Everything surrounding her life is likewise plain and unassuming. It is a joyless world that does not admit an appreciation of man-made beauty or progress. A coldness permeates her world, filling it with sadness.
As Time notes, she is a 16-year-old that appears to be twelve in her short five-foot-tall body. Time’s cover picture reinforces a mystical overtone by presenting an almost elfin figure staring out into the vast expanses of waves crashing into a rocky beach.

The media have been quick to capitalize on ascribing to her mystical persona special powers, not unlike that of a prophetess or oracle. However, the school truant from Sweden has only become a sensation due to the enabling power of adults who have opened every door from the Vatican to the United Nations. It is no coincidence that every liberal cause, from feminism to indigenous rights to gun control, can identify with Greta.
https://www.returntoorder.org/2019/12/w ... -the-year/

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Post by Vasana » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:35 am

What a load of rubbish. Another example of critics who have no valid response to what she is advocating and instead resort to ad hom attacks or obsessions about her personality, Aspergers and in this article, even choice of clothes and lack of jewellery :roll:

Greta's message has always been "unite behind the science" and listen to what the science is saying. She doesn't care about awards and has turnt others down already.

You and others who opppse her should care less about her and any awards and instead pay more attention to the science she is consistently asking all of us to respond to.

You can start here if you're genuinely interested in moving beyond ad hom attacks and actually responding to the implications of what nearly everyone else has failed to communicate so effectively on the same scale Greta has managed.

Climate tipping points — too risky to bet against

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03595-0

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If you're not ready to discuss the science then I'll leave you with this;

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Re: Why Greta Thunberg Should Be Time’s Person of the Year

Post by SonamTashi » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:32 am

Vasana wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:35 am
What a load of rubbish. Another example of critics who have no valid response to what she is advocating and instead resort to ad hom attacks or obsessions about her personality, Aspergers and in this article, even choice of clothes and lack of jewellery :roll:

Greta's message has always been "unite behind the science" and listen to what the science is saying. She doesn't care about awards and has turnt others down already.

You and others who opppse her should care less about her and any awards and instead pay more attention to the science she is consistently asking all of us to respond to.

You can start here if you're genuinely interested in moving beyond ad hom attacks and actually responding to the implications of what nearly everyone else has failed to communicate so effectively on the same scale Greta has managed.

Climate tipping points — too risky to bet against

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03595-0

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If you're not ready to discuss the science then I'll leave you with this;

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This is off topic, but the Raising the Alarm map on that nature.com article is missing an E. It jumps straight from D to F.
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Re: Why Greta Thunberg Should Be Time’s Person of the Year

Post by SonamTashi » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:36 am

I don't get all of the vitriol the right has for Greta. It is really disconcerting to see all this hate aimed at a 16 year old girl who just doesn't want the environment to be destroyed. Like even if for some reason you disagree with the science and think climate change isn't a thing, the hate just doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Norwegian » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:44 am

What on earth kind of nonsense is this? Are you a fundamentalist Christian? Do you believe in God and Jesus? Do you think Greta is perhaps "Satanic"? Please think a little.

Let's look at the source:
About:
The Return to Order campaign is based on the award-winning book, Return to Order: From a Frenzied Economy to an Organic Christian Society–Where We’ve Been, How We Got Here and Where We Need to Go by John Horvat II. It addresses the growing alarm, confusion and frustration that so many Americans experience when seeing the nation fall into disorder and chaos.

This social decay manifests itself in many ways. It can be seen in the breakdown of the family and community. It can be experienced in the frenetic intemperance of hectic lifestyles, the frenzied activity of economic markets and the abuse of technology and social media. Above all, there is the abandonment of God and His law and the increasing public recognition of satanic acts, symbols and ideas.
The question for any patriotic and God-fearing American naturally arises: What can be done in the face of this breakdown?

Return to Order provides the answer by proposing a return to those God-given institutions and principles that naturally regulate society and put it back in balance. This presupposes a practice of the cardinal virtues and a great love of God.
This, and so much more, is complete nonsense. And for you to link from such a site speaks volumes of the critical thought that you completely lack.

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The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP), or "The American TFP," is a special campaign of The Foundation for a Christian Civilization, Inc. ("FCC").[2] It is one of a number of autonomous national TFPs which claims to form "the world's largest anticommunist and antisocialist network of Catholic inspiration."[3]

The Southern Poverty Law Center had described it as a "virulently anti-LGBT group".
The Return to Order campaign is an offshoot of the US Foundation for a Christian Civilisation. In 2019 it organized a petition against the Good Omens miniseries as mocking God's wisdom and making Satanism appear normal, light and acceptable, but they targeted the petition at Netflix rather than Amazon Prime Video which distributes the series.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition ... d_Property
The movement has been described as a "Catholic right wing entity".[10] Its worldview has been characterized as an "extreme moralism, against divorce, against Communism, and against change."
Löwy's study of the interaction of religion and politics in Latin America used the international TFP to exemplify the most conservative of four tendencies within Latin American Catholicism: the one which "defend[s] ultra-reactionary and sometimes semi-fascist ideas."
Of course people who are rabidly fundamentalist Christians (also of the US variety), who likes and loves far right-wing politics, will hate someone like Greta Thunberg.

Here's a quote for you: "And they hated him [her / Greta Thunberg] because (s)he spoke the truth."

Greta Thunberg refers to science. Fundamentalist Christian right-wingers do not have science. They have fear-mongering and hate. Do not side with those who lack compassion and wisdom. Side with those who wants the best for this planet instead.
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Re: Why Greta Thunberg Should Be Time’s Person of the Year

Post by Fortyeightvows » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:58 am

Norwegian, take a look at the chart that Vasana posted

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Post by Norwegian » Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:28 am

Fortyeightvows wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:58 am
Norwegian, take a look at the chart that Vasana posted
Oh I am very familiar with it.

But you see, at times it's worth pointing out what sources one uses. We live in a time where the planet is on fire and humans are the ones responsible for it burning. We need to understand that. Understanding this and how to stop it, means we need to refer to science. Now, it so happens that many politicians, organizations, and people in general don't want to listen to science, or they're just too lazy to care. Greta Thunberg is an individual who has gotten a lot of attention because she has spearheaded an important movement, and now a lot more people are interested in science and have the attention of science. This is important. She has helped many young people become confident, and feel as if they are part of something, which they really are. They can help put pressure on governments to make better choices.

What you linked is nonsense. It really just is. And more worryingly, you linked nonsense from far right-wing fundamentalist Christians who will never accept the science of climate change, who will never accept any of this at all. And so that should be called out. It's too easy for people to provide links or quotes without any sort of look at what source they're using. And in this case the criticism directed towards Greta Thunberg is ridiculous, as Vasana pointed out.

Again, I think you should read the science that Greta Thunberg talks about. It is of utmost importance. What fundamentalists full of hate says or thinks is completely irrelevant.
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Post by Dan74 » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:16 pm

It really doesn't help I think to tell other people what they link or use as evidence, is nonsense. Chances are they feel the same way about your 'sources'. People have become so polarised in their views that there is no middle ground on which they can even provisionally meet. There is just the shouting from the soap-boxes across a gulf no one is prepared to breach.

The OP's source makes perfect sense if one does not accept the cause for alarm or the method. Then she is reduced to an maladjusted and deluded adolescent with mental health issues and the entire movement, a bunch of useful fools manipulated by ruthless political operators.

Vasana's source and post make perfect sense if one accept the assertion that our ecosystems are crumbling due to man-induced Climate Change and that Thunberg is bringing the much needed attention to that and hopefully gathers enough momentum for decisive action.

It is hard to admit that none of us know for certain which side is correct. Some folks assert that the safest bet is to side with scientific consensus and mitigate the risk while we can, rather than do nothing and very likely bear the brunt of a ecological catastrophe. Other folks, say that the changes that are asked for are nothing short of a catastrophe themselves and besides, the scientists are not all in agreement, plus someone will use the very same science and technology to find the way out, so why should we rush into a massive change?

Which position one finds more reasonable has a lot to do with our unspoken assumptions and the way we weigh all these factors. It is not such a simple thing. There are very smart people on both sides of this debate.

For my money, I think it is only sensible to take action in the face of a massive risk, rather than hope that either the overwhelming evidence turns out to be wrong or that we somehow find the miracle cure. It's like a man's gotten a cancer diagnosis and asserts bravely that it's just going to pass. Well, it might. Doctors do get things wrong and there have been miracles where cancers were gone without intervention or when intervention was discontinued. But his chances are not great... It cannot be argued that his course of action is reasonable. To me this is very similar. And folks like Greta... well, we may scratch our heads at words like 'you've stolen my childhood' spoken by a teen who had all the privileges a middle-class family in a 1st world country provides, but on the other hand it is possible that a young persona takes this collapse of the natural ecosystems as something they cannot turn away from and hide in their 1st World Comforts. Like the rest of us.. Maybe it is us who are deluded and she is seeing the horror we pretend is not there?

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Post by Vasana » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:02 pm

Dan74 wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:16 pm
It really doesn't help I think to tell other people what they link or use as evidence, is nonsense. Chances are they feel the same way about your 'sources'. People have become so polarised in their views that there is no middle ground on which they can even provisionally meet. There is just the shouting from the soap-boxes across a gulf no one is prepared to breach.

The OP's source makes perfect sense if one does not accept the cause for alarm or the method. Then she is reduced to an maladjusted and deluded adolescent with mental health issues and the entire movement, a bunch of useful fools manipulated by ruthless political operators.

Vasana's source and post make perfect sense if one accept the assertion that our ecosystems are crumbling due to man-induced Climate Change and that Thunberg is bringing the much needed attention to that and hopefully gathers enough momentum for decisive action.

It is hard to admit that none of us know for certain which side is correct. Some folks assert that the safest bet is to side with scientific consensus and mitigate the risk while we can, rather than do nothing and very likely bear the brunt of a ecological catastrophe. Other folks, say that the changes that are asked for are nothing short of a catastrophe themselves and besides, the scientists are not all in agreement, plus someone will use the very same science and technology to find the way out, so why should we rush into a massive change?

Which position one finds more reasonable has a lot to do with our unspoken assumptions and the way we weigh all these factors. It is not such a simple thing. There are very smart people on both sides of this debate.

For my money, I think it is only sensible to take action in the face of a massive risk, rather than hope that either the overwhelming evidence turns out to be wrong or that we somehow find the miracle cure. It's like a man's gotten a cancer diagnosis and asserts bravely that it's just going to pass. Well, it might. Doctors do get things wrong and there have been miracles where cancers were gone without intervention or when intervention was discontinued. But his chances are not great... It cannot be argued that his course of action is reasonable. To me this is very similar. And folks like Greta... well, we may scratch our heads at words like 'you've stolen my childhood' spoken by a teen who had all the privileges a middle-class family in a 1st world country provides, but on the other hand it is possible that a young persona takes this collapse of the natural ecosystems as something they cannot turn away from and hide in their 1st World Comforts. Like the rest of us.. Maybe it is us who are deluded and she is seeing the horror we pretend is not there?
The middle ground I've found for those who are climate sceptic is that of things like pollution, topsoil erosion, ocean acidification, deforestation among other ecosystem degradation facts. Even if someone doesn't believe in the scientific consensus that warming is amplified by human activity, it's hard to be indifferent to the other ecological facts and still come across as reasonable. Each of which are directly or indirectly related to the burning of fossil fuels and are big enough reasons in and of themselves to transition away from co2 emitting fuels.

As for the consensus, it's not as ambiguous as some would claim. Above 97% for a while and closer to 100% looking at studies from the last few years.
Just as the tobacco industry used marketing strategies to highlight the uncertainties of smoking and health risks when they were first being called out on it, the oil companies have done just the same with massive discrepancies between their own studies and the conclusions they feed to the public. (Exxon mobile in particular) I can cite these studies if anyone cares.

And even if that is not enough for some, with uncertainties in climate tipping points accepted, the precautionary principle is all that matters here. Similar to your cancer patient metaphor, Dan.

If there's a risk of that magnitude , it's always better to err on the side of caution and not gamble.
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Post by tkp67 » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:56 pm

The problem is corporations like exxon have been obfuscating the truth since the middle of last century and people believe delusion as reality. It happens in a knee jerk fashion because climate change doesn't kill immediately so people can afford to deny it without direct and immediate consequence. That is if there isn't an immediate result then there is no causation.

It is some years old but I will find it if so requested but the largest organization of climate scientists were initially divided on climate change themselves so they asked why. First they came up with a way to become more decisive about climate change and then polled their members in regards to their stand on climate change. To understand climate change better they asked other branches of earth science to give report based on the data set in their field of study. The answer became alarmingly conclusive. The results of the polls revealed based their opinion on politics and other biases not on due diligence and fact.

This paper marked the start of scientists taking climate change far more serious across the board.

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:30 pm

People have this suspicion of The youth climate movement being bought or whatever, it’s a reasonable suspicion, but not for the nonsensical reasons often given in right wing screeds on the subject. Like Vasana said, it’s very similar to the Tobacco industry, here’s an article on the subject:

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/13/you ... -industry/
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Post by futerko » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:17 pm

Hilarious! - it is of course quite correct that the argument for self-preservation be dressed in such blandly indignant self-righteousness. It's not like almost every single commentator since Mary Shelly didn't see it coming. We have reached a point in history where the one telling us that we should have shut the stable door before the horse bolted is now an angry teenager arguing for her own right to exist. If only Dali were still alive!

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Post by Vasana » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:53 pm

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Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:17 pm
Hilarious! - it is of course quite correct that the argument for self-preservation be dressed in such blandly indignant self-righteousness. It's not like almost every single commentator since Mary Shelly didn't see it coming. We have reached a point in history where the one telling us that we should have shut the stable door before the horse bolted is now an angry teenager arguing for her own right to exist. If only Dali were still alive!
So I take it you have issue with the scientists she references too then since all you can focus on is the angry teenager part.
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Post by Vasana » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:00 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:30 pm
People have this suspicion of The youth climate movement being bought or whatever, it’s a reasonable suspicion, but not for the nonsensical reasons often given in right wing screeds on the subject. Like Vasana said, it’s very similar to the Tobacco industry, here’s an article on the subject:

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/13/you ... -industry/
People are going to make money from the climate transition, no doubt. People are suspicious of money and billionaires involved in social issues understandably. But if I had to choose between the status quo billionaires and those green billionaires pushing for a green transition, I'd go with the latter. There will be a money shuffle and this is exactly why the status quo billionaires, oil tycoons and focus groups spread so much uncertainty. The irony in being ultra suspicious of green finance, whether legitimate or that of movement co-opting is that in some ways it shifts the attention away from what is already wrong with regular economics and the financial elite of the world.

Undoubtedly there will be people attempting to cash in on the back of Greta and the youth movement but Greta and XR have been pretty consistent with their message, the science. Greta has also on multiple times directly called out the nonsense of eternal GDP growth - that's the thing worth remembering. She knows capitalism as it stands today is not suitable and current politics aren't either. She also recognizes any greenwashed version of capitalism with GDP as focus will be inadequate too. So regardless of who attempts to cash in on the movement, she's already on to them and will continue to point out how inadequate that approach is given the scale and pace of change needed.

I think she's smarter than people give her credit for and has laser like focus to stay on message, on the science, even when others insist on focusing on her just being an angry teenager.

“It seems they will cross every possible line to avert the focus, since they are so desperate not to talk about the climate and ecological crisis,”
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Post by futerko » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:14 pm

Vasana wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:53 pm
futerko wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:17 pm
Hilarious! - it is of course quite correct that the argument for self-preservation be dressed in such blandly indignant self-righteousness. It's not like almost every single commentator since Mary Shelly didn't see it coming. We have reached a point in history where the one telling us that we should have shut the stable door before the horse bolted is now an angry teenager arguing for her own right to exist. If only Dali were still alive!
So I take it you have issue with the scientists she references too then since all you can focus on is the angry teenager part.
No, I think we are all going to die horribly - I would just personally rather do it without the hysteria.

The only shame is that I was secretly training to be an astronaut because my money was on a giant meteorite. We can't all be winners in crisis bingo!

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Post by Nicholas Weeks » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:20 pm

Brave of 48 to post one Xtian perspective on the ills of society. Thank you for doing so.

The author of the piece, John Horvat, is dedicated to doing and saying what he thinks is beneficial to humanity. This is needed. What is not needed is immediate expressions of contempt & derision.

Granted, that is a difficult impulse to stop. Buddha said something like how hard it is to respect or have compassion for those we call fools.
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Post by Vasana » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:35 pm

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Brave of 48 to post one Xtian perspective on the ills of society. Thank you for doing so.

The author of the piece, John Horvat, is dedicated to doing and saying what he thinks is beneficial to humanity. This is needed. What is not needed is immediate expressions of contempt & derision.

Granted, that is a difficult impulse to stop. Buddha said something like how hard it is to respect or have compassion for those we call fools.
There are lots of people who think that what they are doing is for the benefit of society when it isn't always so, and is sometimes the opposite. It depends what ideology you ascribe to.

Disagreement doesn't always mean contempt. We can have compassion for people without condoning their speech or actions.
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Post by Vasana » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:37 pm

futerko wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:14 pm
Vasana wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:53 pm
futerko wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:17 pm


Hilarious! - it is of course quite correct that the argument for self-preservation be dressed in such blandly indignant self-righteousness. It's not like almost every single commentator since Mary Shelly didn't see it coming. We have reached a point in history where the one telling us that we should have shut the stable door before the horse bolted is now an angry teenager arguing for her own right to exist. If only Dali were still alive!
So I take it you have issue with the scientists she references too then since all you can focus on is the angry teenager part.
No, I think we are all going to die horribly - I would just personally rather do it without the hysteria.

The only shame is that I was secretly training to be an astronaut because my money was on a giant meteorite. We can't all be winners in crisis bingo!
So, as a Buddhist, or just a human, in the face of crisis, do you disagree that harm reduction is an ethical and moral necessity?
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Post by futerko » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:47 pm

Vasana wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:37 pm
futerko wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:14 pm
Vasana wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:53 pm


So I take it you have issue with the scientists she references too then since all you can focus on is the angry teenager part.
No, I think we are all going to die horribly - I would just personally rather do it without the hysteria.

The only shame is that I was secretly training to be an astronaut because my money was on a giant meteorite. We can't all be winners in crisis bingo!
So, as a Buddhist, or just a human, in the face of crisis, do you disagree that harm reduction is an ethical and moral necessity?
harm reduction to the planet or to us?

edit - I think we are in a state of constant crisis, one after the other, and I think that is a result of having a certain orientation to "reality" which produces such symptoms - I think it is quite absurd, ridiculous, and even funny to watch as we repeatedly fail to accept the fruits of our own production.

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Re: Why Greta Thunberg Should Be Time’s Person of the Year

Post by Vasana » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:52 pm

Both. All sentient life and the ecological balance that supports them.
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