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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Johnny Dangerous » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:20 am

Kim O'Hara wrote:
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Read this link to Nassim Nicholas Taleb, the trader and probability expert who wrote the bestseller Black Swan, predicted the 2008 financial crisis and make his fortune from it. ...
This article has a similar theme, pointing out the incredible systemic fragility that comes from neoliberal policies in both business and health care.
For four decades, American corporations have been caught up in a whole series of refinements that are intended to improve efficiency and productivity. Our processes are lean. Our efficiency is six-sigma. Our productivity has mysteriously run far ahead of employee compensation in a way that has made CEOs billionaires while leaving workers on food stamps.

It’s a system that maximizes profit. But it’s also a system that assumes that everything can be stripped to the bare bones; that business can make do with minimal staffing, minimal supplies, minimal alternatives. Nothing is there that makes the system in the least unprofitable. The system stands like a house of glass, waiting for something to challenge its fragility.

And in the United States, health care is just that kind of system.

Like every other system in America, we now have a super-lean, infinite-sigma healthcare system, absolutely dependent on every cog remaining in place. It’s one in which there are fewer than a million hospital beds for the entire nation; one in which many, many rural counties have no hospital at all. Because that’s the most profitable way of running the system, and that’s what happens when health care is subjected to the winnowing of the marketplace—just barely enough health care, at the highest possible prices people will tolerate without demanding a change.

It’s exactly where a nation does not want to be when encountering a health crisis. And it’s why America is, unfortunately, about to get a lesson in why there is much more to a national health system than whether you pay for it in taxes or with checks to an insurance company. ...

Every intern, doctor, and nurse (especially nurse) who you ever met was overworked, because running the system on the ragged edge of failure is exactly the sweet spot. Or at least it is as far as corporations whose goal is to milk every penny from the process are concerned. ...
Read it all and weep, if you're in the US. :reading: https://buzzflash.com/articles/america- ... t-business

Then go out and work to change the system.

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How? I mean really, a lot of people would love to change the system. We can't actually elect someone who will support single payer healthcare for all, it's made impossible by a number of factors, not the least of which is our corrupt electoral process. Short of people really getting cray cray, all we can do is try to push our politicians in the right direction, but that's tough because the system here is built to exclude anyone who actually fights for these things.

The amazing thing to me is how this is just "normal" here. I mean almost everywhere, until someone lands one of the shrinking number of middle class or above jobs, there is no paid sick leave, everything costs an arm and a leg. it's friggin' criminal, and yet so many of the people I hear complain about it voted for Trump, and would never consider voting for some dirty socialist. I've literally seen people on the State health exchange insurance complain about "socialism"..all while it pays for their treatment.
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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Kim O'Hara » Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:05 am

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:20 am
...How? I mean really, a lot of people would love to change the system. We can't actually elect someone who will support single payer healthcare for all, it's made impossible by a number of factors, not the least of which is our corrupt electoral process. Short of people really getting cray cray, all we can do is try to push our politicians in the right direction, but that's tough because the system here is built to exclude anyone who actually fights for these things.

The amazing thing to me is how this is just "normal" here. I mean almost everywhere, until someone lands one of the shrinking number of middle class or above jobs, there is no paid sick leave, everything costs an arm and a leg. it's friggin' criminal, and yet so many of the people I hear complain about it voted for Trump, and would never consider voting for some dirty socialist. I've literally seen people on the State health exchange insurance complain about "socialism"..all while it pays for their treatment.
Yeah, it's going to be hard and it's going to take a lot of people a long time. But if people of good will who see the problem don't act, who will?

Here's one tiny step you can take. https://actions.sumofus.org/a/drivers-s ... -employees
Coronavirus: Demand paid sick leave for workers, including drivers and couriers
Right now, as the coronavirus escalates, drivers for Amazon, Uber, Deliveroo, and others are busy delivering supplies to affected people and taking passengers to doctors.

But their work exposes them to greater risk than many of us face. And what’s worse -- many of them are forced to work when they’re sick because they aren’t given paid sick leave!

As more and more people stay home, these companies are getting swamped with business. Now more than ever we need to protect their workers so they can serve as lifelines to those in need, not expose themselves to unnecessary risk!


Tell companies: don't make people work sick! Give them paid sick leave now. ...
Next tiny step: sharing it around your social networks.

I know, I know, the sun may die of old age before America faces down neoliberalism. Then again, it might not.
Meanwhile, doing what you can will at least make you feel a bit better. And seeing you do it will encourage people around you to do the same.
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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:43 pm

The Effects of Mind-Body Therapies on the Immune System: Meta-Analysis
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New Clues Into How Meditation May Boost The Immune System
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Mindfulness meditation and the immune system: a systematic review of randomized controlled trials
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Train Your Brain to Boost Your Immune System
https://www.mindful.org/train-brain-boo ... ne-system/

How Meditation Helps Your Immune System Do its Job
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Meditation And The Immune System
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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:05 pm

I also use saline to clean my nose ..

Saline (medicine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saline_(medicine)

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Nemo » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:48 pm

I'm still betting on quercetin to prevent organ damage from cytokine storms. It's both antiviral and inhibits ACE2. It may be the small thing that alters the outcome. You can even make your own from citrus rinds. Better than Remdesivir at 1000$ a dose. Stay safe out there.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3504033/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0360-5

Also may build a sauna.
"Men that used the sauna 2-3x per week were 27% less likely to get pneumonia and those that used it 4-7x per week had a 41% reduced risk compared to men that used the sauna 1x per week. Other studies have found sauna use decreases pulmonary congestion."

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by DNS » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:35 am

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Why are so many hoarding toilet paper? There is no toilet paper available at many groceries, membership clubs, etc. I went to two different Sam's Clubs and there was none. No bottled water, which is more understandable, but what's the deal about stocking up on toilet paper? Is there some global conspiracy to stop making it?

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by justsit » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:32 am

DNS wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:35 am
...Why are so many hoarding toilet paper? There is no toilet paper available at many groceries, membership clubs, etc. I went to two different Sam's Clubs and there was none. No bottled water, which is more understandable, but what's the deal about stocking up on toilet paper? Is there some global conspiracy to stop making it?
Likely the mistaken fear that coronavirus will cause diarrhea? :shrug:

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Kim O'Hara » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:05 am

justsit wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:32 am
DNS wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:35 am
...Why are so many hoarding toilet paper? There is no toilet paper available at many groceries, membership clubs, etc. I went to two different Sam's Clubs and there was none. No bottled water, which is more understandable, but what's the deal about stocking up on toilet paper? Is there some global conspiracy to stop making it?
Likely the mistaken fear that coronavirus will cause diarrhea? :shrug:
I haven't heard that suggestion before and the toilet-paper-hoarding thing is all over the news here in Australia. All over facebook, too - people are having a lot of fun with it. :smile:

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Virgo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:22 am

Even if you are in quarantine for 14 days, you will still only use the same amount of tp as you would have otherwise. The amount of actually tp usage won't increase at all because of coranvirus.

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Queequeg » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:24 am

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
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How?
I've been watching videos of Bernie Sanders in the 80s and 90s, and what is remarkable is that he pretty much sounds exactly the same. Back then, he was just some weirdo from Burlington. Now he's a serious candidate for the White House. His message hasn't changed, but the world around him clearly has. The stuff he was complaining about then have become more and more obvious as the years go by. I'm not without hope that as long as we keep this message going, keep this narrative alive, its going to keep making more and more sense to people.

People don't know what has hit them - why their community is wiped out, why their wages don't keep up with the actual cost of living.

In the debates, it almost didn't matter what the question Bernie was asked. He just went right back to his simple message. Its what got people to pay attention and catch what he is actually saying. We've just got to take a cue from Bernie and repeat the same explanation over and over. If the message is true, its going to keep turning people on and eventually, its going to be the major narrative. We've gotta win the narrative battle. We've got to be better story tellers.
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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by PeterC » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:29 am

There was panic buying of toilet paper / tissues in asia due to some malicious fake news intended to promote visible social instability. Presumably similar tactics are being employed here. This tactic is a surprisingly easy way to scare people - doesn’t matter if you believe the rumors or not, if you go into the supermarket and people are emptying shelves of a certain product, you have to stock up too in case you’re too late and it’s all gone.

Stepping back from this. Anything you do to “prepare” for the coronavirus ought to be to prepare for this sort of irrational economic disruption. There is no need to specifically “prepare” for the illness itself because functionally it is not very different from a seasonal flu. Similar modes of transmission but lower total risk. If you’re immunocompromised, old and sick etc then sure it’s higher risk, but if you’re in those categories then regular seasonal flu is also a comparable risk and you should already be taking precautions against that. If you do get sick, and if you do get symptoms, and if they don’t resolve quickly, and if they’re severe, then the greatest risk of death will be through pneumonia. So get yourself to a hospital and with the regular protocols for pneumonia you have an excellent chance of being fine.

It’s a bit like dukkha. The problem isn’t external circumstances. The problem is our reaction to them.

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Queequeg » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:30 am

justsit wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:32 am
DNS wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:35 am
...Why are so many hoarding toilet paper? There is no toilet paper available at many groceries, membership clubs, etc. I went to two different Sam's Clubs and there was none. No bottled water, which is more understandable, but what's the deal about stocking up on toilet paper? Is there some global conspiracy to stop making it?
Likely the mistaken fear that coronavirus will cause diarrhea? :shrug:
If you have one of these, toilet paper needs go way down. Once you've gotten used to it, you will never go back to smearing yourself again.
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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Queequeg » Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:33 am

PeterC wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:29 am
Stepping back from this. Anything you do to “prepare” for the coronavirus ought to be to prepare for this sort of irrational economic disruption.
This is what I'm worried about. Stocking dried goods just in case we have to hunker down for a bit.

Its getting manic out there.
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And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by tingdzin » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:20 am

Thanks for all the suggestions

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by mikenz66 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:39 am

Kim O'Hara wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:05 am
I haven't heard that suggestion before and the toilet-paper-hoarding thing is all over the news here in Australia. All over facebook, too - people are having a lot of fun with it. :smile:
People Panic-Buying Toilet Paper Are Most Likely To Die From Coronavirus, New Research Confirms .

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Post by DNS » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:47 am

mikenz66 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:39 am
Kim O'Hara wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:05 am
I haven't heard that suggestion before and the toilet-paper-hoarding thing is all over the news here in Australia. All over facebook, too - people are having a lot of fun with it. :smile:
People Panic-Buying Toilet Paper Are Most Likely To Die From Coronavirus, New Research Confirms .

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Nemo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:56 am

Queequeg wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:30 am
justsit wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:32 am
DNS wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:35 am
...Why are so many hoarding toilet paper? There is no toilet paper available at many groceries, membership clubs, etc. I went to two different Sam's Clubs and there was none. No bottled water, which is more understandable, but what's the deal about stocking up on toilet paper? Is there some global conspiracy to stop making it?
Likely the mistaken fear that coronavirus will cause diarrhea? :shrug:
If you have one of these, toilet paper needs go way down. Once you've gotten used to it, you will never go back to smearing yourself again.
Exactly, toilet paper is for drying your clean butt.

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by HePo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:27 am

Nemo wrote:
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Exactly, toilet paper is for drying your clean butt.
The more recent (since a few years) Japanese toilets come with a dryer function - no need for toilet paper.

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Re: What are you doing about the coronavirus?

Post by Simon E. » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:11 pm

No real need anyway. All over India and the Muslim world the use of toilet paper is seen as an incredibly squalid solution to a basic hygiene problem..
The Supermarket shelves have been cleared of “bogroll” and hand cleaner here in the U.K. too. Despite the tv declaring many times a day that soap and hot water for 20 seconds is at least as effective a way to clean the hands.
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