Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by Grigoris » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:09 am

Wayfarer wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:06 am
That sometimes manifests as the identification between traditionalism and reactionary political movements, as seen with Julius Evola and some other advocates of traditionalism.
Evola was one of the main theoreticians for Italian Fascism and had an excellent relationship with the reactionary (as opposed to revolutionary/socialist) elements of the Nazi party.

His basic gripe with both the movements was their populism as he was more into restoring the monarchy, but he did not have any problems accepting their praise and money.
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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by humble.student » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:17 pm

TsultimNamdak wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:32 am
Fascism definitely has a strong current of esoteric-occult thinking. For those of you interested in the importance of occult thinking on the German Nazi movement, I can recommend Erich Kurlander: Hitler's Monsters. The book is proper historical research, not the kind of speculation and nonsense which characterises most books on the subject.
H.T. Hakl's thorough booklet "Unknown Sources: National Socialism and the Occult" debunks most of the fanciful claims made in this regard, you may want to check it out.

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by humble.student » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:35 pm

Malcolm wrote:
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Quote myself here. Like I said historically is interesting.

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by Sādhaka » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:37 pm

The German National Socialists supposedly burned down Rudolf Steiner’s first Goetheanum.

Another interesting fact that I stumbled upon, in The Royal Masonic Cyclopaedia by Kenneth Mackenzie, is that Nasi or Nazi means “prince” in Hebrew.

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by Malcolm » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:50 pm

Lazy Lubber wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:11 am
Malcolm wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:52 pm
Conspiracy theories are the place where new age dipshits and the alt right meet for dates and eventual miscegenation, resulting in Fascist Deadheads.
I live around lots of left-wingers, who appear to be life-long rebels against their conservative upbringing
In other words, you have no idea who they were brought up, and so you are merely engaged in proliferation.
; despite the apple not falling very far from the tree. In other words, most of them are so straight when it comes to following the mass-media. Its frightening their lack of critical thinking. They are often as conformist as the right-wingers.
The "mass media"? What did not you have in mind?

I mean, basically, there are those people, on the right and the left, who believe what scientists, the academics, the government, and the press tell them, because when taken together, there is a fact-based narrative to be followed. They may disagree about what the facts mean, but they accept the same basic set of facts to be what they are, facts.

And then there are those on the left and the right, who refuse to believe what the scientists, the academics, the government, and the press tell them, and having no other credible sources turn to other than people like Alex Jones, fundamentalist religious leaders, and so on on the bat-shit crazy far right, and their equivalents in the bat-shit crazy far left, who both are likely to believe such idiocy as 5G networks cause corona virus and so on.
My understanding of Mahayana Buddhism & Madhyamaka is dependently originated causes are examined & understood.
Sane people rely on deductive reasoning to establish facts through empirical validation, since inductive reasoning is not reliable.
I think anyone blindly following the mass-media on any matter is not practising Buddhism (because it is quite obvious the mass-media is often a controlled propaganda arm of governments).
This is just a conspiracy theory followed by people who tend towards the bat-shot crazy wings of the right and the left.

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by Malcolm » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:51 pm

Sādhaka wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:37 pm

Another interesting fact that I stumbled upon, in The Royal Masonic Cyclopaedia by Kenneth Mackenzie, is that Nasi or Nazi means “prince” in Hebrew.
But that has nothing to with National Socialists.

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by Sādhaka » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:53 pm

I’m not implying that it did; it’s just that the former paragraph in my above post simply reminded me of what I wrote in the latter.

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by Grigoris » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:59 pm

Sādhaka wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:37 pm
Another interesting fact that I stumbled upon, in The Royal Masonic Cyclopaedia by Kenneth Mackenzie, is that Nasi or Nazi means “prince” in Hebrew.
People draw all sorts of stupid conclusions based on invalid evidence and facts...
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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by shankara » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:21 pm

I think that to understand that the mass media are the propaganda arm of governments one only has to read Chomsky. The guy is totally sane, not a conspiracy theorist. The latter have the tendency to impute intention where there isn't necessarily such intention (though sometimes, there is). The media are the brainwash not because journalists are all sitting there plotting "how can we keep the people down?" but because it is a machine in which they are caught up, in which any discourse not conforming to "the party line" is automatically ignored because it is considered to be "fringe" and therefore not credible.

There are facts which the media reports, and facts which it doesn't report. They talk about the holocaust plenty, but not about King Leopold II of Belgium being responsible for 10 million deaths in the Congo. Because Nazism = bad, whilst Colonialism = just something that happened.

The public's ignorance (or perhaps better said "fixation on certain facts and ignorance of others") is responsible for the line promoted by the media just as much as the line promoted by the media is responsible for the public's ignorance. It's a hall of mirrors.

Of course there are things which reputable newspapers publish which are factual and plenty of things promoted by the "fringe" which are far from factual. Total distrust becomes pathological. But beyond the "day to day" facts, when it comes to the narrative about history and it's meaning in particular, the media is vastly deceptive.

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by TsultimNamdak » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:58 pm

Sādhaka wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:37 pm
The German National Socialists supposedly burned down Rudolf Steiner’s first Goetheanum.
Sounds VERY unlikely. It burned down on New Years Eve 1922/23; NSDAP was just a small extreme right wing sect (among many others) in Bavaria at that time. The Nazis were virtually unknown outside of Bavaria, even in Germany. That changed later in 1923, of course.

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by Kim O'Hara » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:42 pm

I'm not absolutely sure this belongs here but I think it might.
I'm in downtown Warsaw in the middle of Europe's biggest far-right rally and it's messing with my mind.

The weird part isn't the souvenir stands selling anti-Muslim t-shirts or the angry young men wearing skull masks and chanting "faggots forbidden".

That's standard for an ultranationalist rally.

What's really jarring is the sight of priests standing behind them clutching rosaries.

Then there are the old ladies singing songs about bashing Marxists and the young families who've brought their babies out in prams to celebrate the parade. ...
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:reading: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/ ... s/12180704

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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by PeterC » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:07 am

Christian churches never seem to have much trouble getting behind popular nationalist movements: it happens very regularly. They tie themselves in philosophical knots justifying their doing so, and never seem particularly concerned about apparent contradictions with their overriding themes of love, compassion etc.

https://www.catholicworldreport.com/201 ... ow-plague/
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When Marek Jędraszewski was nominated by Pope Francis to be the new archbishop of Krakow, I wrote that he was a strong culture warrior unafraid of proclaiming the Church’s teaching in an uncompromising way. In the two and a half years since, this has exactly been his leadership style in the former see of Saints Stanislaus of Szczepanów and John Paul II. In recent weeks, Archbishop Jędraszewski has become a lightning rod for controversy due to his explicit criticism of the LGBT ideology, being reviled by some Poles and defended by many others. ...

The LGBT ideology in particular has proved to be very polarizing. An annual gay pride parade has been held in Warsaw since 2005, but only in the past couple years have similar events been organized in smaller cities, often meeting with strong backlash. ...

Poland has become most polarized, however, since August 1, when during a Mass commemorating the seventy-fifth anniversary of the outbreak of the 1944 Warsaw Uprising Archbishop Jędraszewski said in his homily: “The red [communist] plague no longer walks on our earth, but a new neo-Marxist one that wants to conquer our souls, hearts, and minds has appeared. It is not a red, but a rainbow plague.” ...

Later, however, Archbishop Jędraszewski clarified that in his homily he was not referring to homosexuals as people, but to the LGBT ideology and its postulates, as the Catechism teaches. Since then, Cardinals Dominik Duka, archbishop of Prague and head of the Czech bishops’ conference, and Zenon Grocholewski, former prefect of the Congregation for Catholic Education, have issued public statements of support of Jędraszewski, as have the episcopal conferences of Slovakia and Hungary, yet another indication that the Church in East-Central Europe remains faithful to Church teaching and tradition.

While liberal media and political elites in big cities such as Warsaw may hate Archbishop Jędraszewski, the Polish masses are largely on his side. Since the now-infamous homily, two protests have been held against Jędraszewski, one in front of the curia in Krakow and one at the apostolic nunciature in Warsaw. They attracted 100 and 200 participants, respectively. Last Saturday, however, 3,000 people – ten times the number that participated in both anti-Jędraszewski protests – attended a prayer vigil and rally in support of the archbishop.

During a recent “Mr. Gay” event in Poznan, a drag queen simulated the murder of the archbishop, whose likeness was glued to a blowup doll.

Regardless of one’s religious beliefs, such a blatant example of hate speech is unsettling. Equally disturbing, though, is the fact that in Bialystok some young conservatives and Catholics resorted to brutal, non-Christian aggression. Even if insulting the Catholic faith is not foreign to LGBT activists, such zealots should remember that Jesus prayed for His persecutors (Luke 23: 34).

Now is the time to pray for Archbishop Jędraszewski, that he may remain vocally faithful to the Church’s teaching on marriage and the family while affirming the dignity of all. As well as prayers for the conversion of those who preach tolerance yet spread hatred against the archbishop and other Catholics, and for those who claim to be defenders of Christian values yet fight against anthropologically flawed ideologies in ways that contradict the Gospels.
The twists and turns of the rhetoric - it's wonderful. Here's an authority figure engaging in blatant hate speech knowing that it will result in violence. He's condemned by his peers. Yet they still manage to 'both side' this and finally retreat to the high ground of 'pray for those involved and respect the authority of the church'.

I have a low opinion of organized religion generally but the Catholic church really has become a dumpster fire of ignorant prejudice and arrogance.

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Post by Grigoris » Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:30 am

PeterC wrote:
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...the Church in East-Central Europe remains faithful to Church teaching and tradition.
Yes, because like everybody knows Christ just hated social outcasts and rebels... :roll:
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Re: Conspirituality - the overlap between the New Age and conspiracy beliefs

Post by Könchok Thrinley » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:08 am

PeterC wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:07 am
Christian churches never seem to have much trouble getting behind popular nationalist movements: it happens very regularly. They tie themselves in philosophical knots justifying their doing so, and never seem particularly concerned about apparent contradictions with their overriding themes of love, compassion etc.
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The twists and turns of the rhetoric - it's wonderful. Here's an authority figure engaging in blatant hate speech knowing that it will result in violence. He's condemned by his peers. Yet they still manage to 'both side' this and finally retreat to the high ground of 'pray for those involved and respect the authority of the church'.

I have a low opinion of organized religion generally but the Catholic church really has become a dumpster fire of ignorant prejudice and arrogance.
Yup, the same in Czechia only in here the archbishop of Prague decided to bootlick our prezident's shoes and get's some gifts for the church for doing so. Othervise if our general political establishment was bit more to the right the Church would be more than happy to go there too. It is a really sad state of things. Especially since our previous archbishop was a hero of the anti-communist underground. Oh well...

The Church is a messed up institution. I remember when I went to our local church to ask the priest some questions when I was 17 and still searching, I ask him what he things about homosexuality and he laughed and said it is a sickness. It was extremely disappointing from a priest that I generally liked for his activities against the local communist party.

**General explanation in ex-communist countries the communist party is usually as conservative and hateful as it gets. Nothing like Bernie, plus they are usually full of murderers.
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