Anonymous X wrote:I could use the example of Dogen's premise that just sitting is a natural expression of Buddhahood. Does this mean that anyone who sits zazen is a Buddha and is replete with Omniscience?
Of course it does.
I understand axiomatically, that we are all Buddhas, but functionally, in any given moment, that is usually not the case with the vast majority of people doing zazen. It is a symbolic action.
Anonymous X wrote:I don't think your definition of a sudden path is necessarily accurate. A path is an avenue to something, an attainment.
Astus wrote: a path meant something necessarily gradual, it cannot be sudden, so that means there is no sudden path.
There is and there isn't. But, for all intents and purposes, I agree.
One can practice for many years and suddenly awaken. All awakening seems to be sudden to my understanding. That would preclude any step by step. Step by step always has a division of subject/object unless there is first, an awakening to the Buddhanature.
[quote="Astus"] enlightenment does not and can not mean some event without cause, or a chance realisation. As for the teaching of "sudden enlightenment, gradual practice", there enlightenment does not mean the attainment of buddhahood, but mostly an initial understanding.[quote]
I never mentioned enlightenment and rarely use the word. If you mean awakening to Buddhanature, why would you need a cause if it is our intrinsic natural state? It only seems like something causes it. If it is a meditatvie state of mind, I would agree with you. In Dzogchen, they call rigpa, self-sprung.
[quote="Astus"]The traditional bodhisattva path is exactly like that, first working on understanding emptiness, then realising emptiness, and then cultivating the realisation of emptiness, until full maturation as a buddha. That is what the gradual path looks like.
Who is working on understanding emptiness? Who is realising it? Who is cultivating it? This is all symbolic, not literal. This doesn't mean that nothing happens after recognition of our nature. There is a momentum, but it is non dual and you are not in charge.