Yes, you need a teacher.

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Re: Yes, you need a teacher.

Post by DGA » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:17 am

Yuren wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:51 am
Astus wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:11 pm
whether it is possible for someone to learn Buddhism only from books (also perhaps audio/video materials) and that way gain correct understanding.
And the answer is yes. If you think it's impossible, you have to contradict the Lotus Sutra.
Where does the Lotus Sutra claim that it is possible to learn Buddhism only from books and perhaps audio/and video materials and in that way gain correct understanding?
Yes, there's a high chance a person will misunderstand the Sutra without a teacher explaining it to him.
Yes. And as I was saying before, some of those persons will go on to present themselves as expounders of the sutra and attempt to popularize their own misunderstandings. This even happens at DW.
But it's not a priori impossible that someone would gain a total and correct understanding of Mahayana by simply reading a Sutra.
And by "reading" I mean really reading and understanding in depth: existentially, too, not just academically - with his body, heart and mind.
Would you mind elaborating a bit on what you mean by "total and correct understanding of Mahayana"?

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Re: Yes, you need a teacher.

Post by DGA » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:21 am

SunWuKong wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:16 pm
I hate being the party-pooper, but are we all venting our opinions on a topic without a specific person asking the question? "Need" is defined here by what you "need' to do. If you want to meditate, improve your life, burn some incense, eat tofu; NO you don't need a teacher. If you are wanting to become the Next Patriarch and require Authentic Dharma Transmission, YES, you will need a teacher. In between are lots of shades of grey, lots of cultural baggage, lots of circumstantial permutations. If the question is "do you want to receive Mind-to-Mind Transmission of the Dharma" YES you need a teacher. If you only want to become Enlightened, no you only need to do whats required, and have the will to do it. There's my 2 cents worth.
Exactly. And what is the point of having a routine of tofu-eating and incense-sniffing? Why would I trade whiskey-drinking and record collecting for that? When I started this thread, I did so with the assumption that here at a Mahayana Buddhist board, participants are with the program. If you're with the program, you need a teacher. But if you're just here for the tofu and the bells and smells... honestly, what a dumb and tacky way to waste time.

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Re: Yes, you need a teacher.

Post by boda » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:11 am

DGA wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:21 am
SunWuKong wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:16 pm
I hate being the party-pooper, but are we all venting our opinions on a topic without a specific person asking the question? "Need" is defined here by what you "need' to do. If you want to meditate, improve your life, burn some incense, eat tofu; NO you don't need a teacher. If you are wanting to become the Next Patriarch and require Authentic Dharma Transmission, YES, you will need a teacher. In between are lots of shades of grey, lots of cultural baggage, lots of circumstantial permutations. If the question is "do you want to receive Mind-to-Mind Transmission of the Dharma" YES you need a teacher. If you only want to become Enlightened, no you only need to do whats required, and have the will to do it. There's my 2 cents worth.
Exactly. And what is the point of having a routine of tofu-eating and incense-sniffing? Why would I trade whiskey-drinking and record collecting for that? When I started this thread, I did so with the assumption that here at a Mahayana Buddhist board, participants are with the program. If you're with the program, you need a teacher. But if you're just here for the tofu and the bells and smells... honestly, what a dumb and tacky way to waste time.
Transmission or tacky tofu? Don’t forget the many shades of grey. :smile:

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Re: Yes, you need a teacher.

Post by SunWuKong » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:34 am

DGA wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:21 am
SunWuKong wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:16 pm
I hate being the party-pooper, but are we all venting our opinions on a topic without a specific person asking the question? "Need" is defined here by what you "need' to do. If you want to meditate, improve your life, burn some incense, eat tofu; NO you don't need a teacher. If you are wanting to become the Next Patriarch and require Authentic Dharma Transmission, YES, you will need a teacher. In between are lots of shades of grey, lots of cultural baggage, lots of circumstantial permutations. If the question is "do you want to receive Mind-to-Mind Transmission of the Dharma" YES you need a teacher. If you only want to become Enlightened, no you only need to do whats required, and have the will to do it. There's my 2 cents worth.
Exactly. And what is the point of having a routine of tofu-eating and incense-sniffing? Why would I trade whiskey-drinking and record collecting for that? When I started this thread, I did so with the assumption that here at a Mahayana Buddhist board, participants are with the program. If you're with the program, you need a teacher. But if you're just here for the tofu and the bells and smells... honestly, what a dumb and tacky way to waste time.
Yes but you missed the distinction between what is required for transmission, and what is required for enlightenment. Suppose someones life depended on enlightenment and they didn't give a rats-hindquarters about transmission. I'd counsel them to save their lives and lay hold of enlightenment
"Cast off body and mind" (身心脱落 shēn xīn tuō luò)

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