Shantideva -- he was not liked in his monastery?

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Shantideva -- he was not liked in his monastery?

Post by prsvrnc » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:28 am

Reading Pema Chodron's commentary on the Bodhisattva's Way of Life:

"Those who stay close by me, then,
To ruin my good name and cut me down to size
Are surely there protecting me
From falling into ruin in the realms of sorrow.

With verse 99, Shantideva starts a section on the value of troublemakers. Considering that he lived in a monastery where he was widely disrespected, this may have been one of his principle practices. He probably had ample opportunity to apply the advice he gives here."

What does this mean? What was it about him that inclined people to disrespect him at the monastery?

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Re: Shantideva -- he was not liked in his monastery?

Post by Karma Dondrup Tashi » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:42 am

As I recall, his colleagues regarded him as a simpleton.

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Re: Shantideva -- he was not liked in his monastery?

Post by Konchog1 » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:46 am

Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:As I recall, his colleagues regarded him as a simpleton.
Specifically, that the only things he could do was eat, sleep, and defecate.
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Re: Shantideva -- he was not liked in his monastery?

Post by Losal Samten » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:53 am

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Re: Shantideva -- he was not liked in his monastery?

Post by smcj » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:53 am

Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:As I recall, his colleagues regarded him as a simpleton.
...and a slacker. "The lama of eating, pooping, and sleeping" they called him.

I can't believe that this isn't in the introduction to the book, but for those that don't have it this is one version of the backstory:

So the story goes, they wanted to humiliate him. So they asked him to give a teaching, but they made the throne so high that he couldn't climb up on it. So, depending on which version you hear, either he floated up to the throne, or the throne lowered itself so he could climb onto it before raising back up to its original height. Whichever version you subscribe to, one way or the other he miraculously overcame their attempt to humiliate him.

Once atop the elevated throne he asked, "Do you want to hear an old teaching, or a new one?" Impressed by his demonstration of siddhi they responded that they wanted a new teaching. The Bodhisattva's Way of Life was the teaching he gave. He only gave it once, but the monks present memorized it as he spoke.

After the teaching he floated up and away. I don't think he was seen again.
I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against Lama abuse.

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Re: Shantideva -- he was not liked in his monastery?

Post by T. Chokyi » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:37 pm

smcj wrote:
Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:
After the teaching he floated up and away. I don't think he was seen again.
Maybe he went to a place where he could poop & pee, sleep & eat, in peace. :alien:

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