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Postby gad rgyangs » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:22 pm

"self"
"no self"
"both"
"neither"

are rejected as accurate depictions of reality, because reality transcends the four extremes.

That is, they (and any possible linguistic designations) are all approximations, metaphors, poetry.

So, the "no self" teaching of Buddhism is just as provisional, metaphoric, poetic as
the "eternal self" teaching of the theistic religions.

Is it a better metaphor for reducing suffering? For some, perhaps.
For others, the eternal self metaphor may be better for reducing suffering.

But really, it is the understanding that the nature of reality is beyond our limited designations, and yet there is nothing but the nature of reality, that liberates.
Thoroughly tame your own mind.
This is (possibly) the teaching of Buddha.

"I must finally conclude that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind."
- Descartes, 2nd Meditation 25

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Re: tetralemma

Postby Malcolm » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:27 pm

gad rgyangs wrote:"self"
"no self"
"both"
"neither"

are rejected as accurate depictions of reality, because reality transcends the four extremes.



Even reality does not exist according to the four extremes.

Nothing is beyond the four extremes.
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Re: tetralemma

Postby gad rgyangs » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:47 pm

Malcolm wrote:
gad rgyangs wrote:"self"
"no self"
"both"
"neither"

are rejected as accurate depictions of reality, because reality transcends the four extremes.



Even reality does not exist according to the four extremes.

Nothing is beyond the four extremes.


if you dont like the word "exists" then you can say reality is "thus".
Thoroughly tame your own mind.
This is (possibly) the teaching of Buddha.

"I must finally conclude that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind."
- Descartes, 2nd Meditation 25

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Re: tetralemma

Postby Malcolm » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:49 pm

gad rgyangs wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
gad rgyangs wrote:"self"
"no self"
"both"
"neither"

are rejected as accurate depictions of reality, because reality transcends the four extremes.



Even reality does not exist according to the four extremes.

Nothing is beyond the four extremes.


if you dont like the word "exists" then you can say reality is "thus".


Since the relative does not exist by way of the four extremes, also ultimate does not exist by way of the four extremes. If there is something beyond the four extremes, it is an extreme.

In other words, there is nothing in the middle, either.
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There is neither sharp nor dull in the capacity of sentient beings. If it is asked why this is so, it is because an introduction is sufficient.


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Re: tetralemma

Postby gad rgyangs » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:06 pm

heres a serendipity: as i was replying above, wallace stevens reading this poem of his came on the shuffle:

Not Ideas About the Thing but the Thing Itself
By Wallace Stevens

At the earliest ending of winter,
In March, a scrawny cry from outside
Seemed like a sound in his mind.

He knew that he heard it,
A bird’s cry, at daylight or before,
In the early March wind.

The sun was rising at six,
No longer a battered panache above snow . . .
It would have been outside.

It was not from the vast ventriloquism
Of sleep’s faded papier-mâché . . .
The sun was coming from outside.

That scrawny cry—it was
A chorister whose c preceded the choir.
It was part of the colossal sun,

Surrounded by its choral rings,
Still far away. It was like
A new knowledge of reality.
Thoroughly tame your own mind.
This is (possibly) the teaching of Buddha.

"I must finally conclude that this proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind."
- Descartes, 2nd Meditation 25


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