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Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by pael » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:56 pm

How widespread practice is copying sutras using one's blood?
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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by emaho » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:29 pm

"Blood is a very special juice." But why would anybody want to do that?
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Post by DGA » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:10 pm

pael wrote:How widespread practice is copying sutras using one's blood?
today? I don't know, but I have heard of someone who copied the entirety of the Avatamsaka Sutra (!!!) in his own blood.

Here's some context.

https://journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/i ... /9174/3032

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Post by Fortyeightvows » Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:16 pm

These days I only know of two other people who do it. I'm sure there are others though, it's not something that is really on display, right? The diabetic lancet is generally the way to go.

The main inspiration for the practice comes from the garland sutra.
Jimmy Yu's book has alot of information on the practice in historical times and even one of the disciples of Jianzhen did it, but I forget who.

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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by emaho » Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:54 pm

I've found this post about the tradition of writing with blood by Sam van Schaik

https://earlytibet.com/2012/05/03/blood-writing/

I've never heard of this practice before. I like copying texts by hand, but doing it with blood is certainly not my cup of tea, I'd very much prefer Diamine Oxblood :shrug:

Van Schaik mentions that he had one historic text chemically analyzed and the ink had a very high iron content, so it was probably iron gall ink into which the writer had mixed some drops of his own blood.
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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:42 am

i wonder if Buddha Sakyamunni would aprove that :s

if where tantras, that would make more sense, but i don't know...
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Post by Palzang Jangchub » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:28 am

I came across this from the Box Sutra while reading about Avalokiteshvara in a text, A Garland of Jewels by Jamgön Mipham Rinpoche. Emphasis is mine.
The Box Sutra wrote:The Bhagavat Shakyamuni once said, "It is valuable for beings to hold the name of Avalokita. His great awareness mantra of six syllables was sought for sixteen kalpas by all tathagatas. Even the great mother of tathagatas prostrates to this awareness mantra.

"Those who hold it and recite it will acquire immeasurable merit. At the time of it's recitation tathagatas and bodhisattvas equal in number to the smallest particles will gather. Millions of buddhas will enter the pores of the reciter of this mantra. They will bestow their approval, saying 'Child of family, you have well acquired something worthy of acquisition. Even all the beings who live in your belly will become irreversible bodhisattvas.' The reciter will be guarded by devas, nagas, yakshas, and others.

"Anyone who keeps this mantra on their body will achieve a vajra body and a buddha's wisdom. They will acquire all complete qualities, including confidence, wisdom, love, and the paramitas. They will quickly achieve the unsurpassable awakening of buddhahood.

"Any being who touches or sees this mantra will become a bodhisattva who has reached the end of rebirth. This great awareness mantra pulls out the root of samsara. It guides one to liberation and omniscience. In search of this mantra, one should fill all of Jambudvipa with the seven jewels and offer it. If someone wishes to write this mantra down but lacks ink, it would be excellent for them to use their blood as ink, their skin as paper, and their bones as a pen."
http://tharlam.blogspot.com/2012/02/dharma-ink.html
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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by crazy-man » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:38 am

Blood writing in Buddhist scrolls
http://blogs.bl.uk/untoldlives/2012/01/ ... rolls.html

Qiyuan and the Lotos Sutra in The Hidden Lamp: Stories from Twenty-Five Centuries of Awakened Women
https://books.google.de/books?id=is06Aw ... od&f=false

FIVE SLICING, BURNING, AND BLOOD WRITING: Karmic Transformations of Bodies in Living Karma: The Religious Practices of Ouyi Zhixu
https://books.google.de/books?id=hUoZBQ ... es&f=false

Embodying the Text through Blood Writing in Sanctity and Self-Inflicted Violence in Chinese Religions, 1500-1700
https://books.google.de/books?id=jVsWDA ... ra&f=false

Writing with Blood for Deceased Parents: An Example of Tension-Conciliation between Buddhists and Confucians in China
http://www.academia.edu/24630480/Writin ... s_in_China

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Post by diamind » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:15 pm

javier.espinoza.t wrote:i wonder if Buddha Sakyamunni would aprove that :s

if where tantras, that would make more sense, but i don't know...
He would love it! If you really had no ink. However, using blood symbolically mixed with ink I would say is a great perversion, and seriously shrouded in wrong veiw.

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Post by Fortyeightvows » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:57 pm

Soma999 wrote:But if someone bleed, he can offer the blood who has leaved the body to the Buddha. Then, it can't be used by any kind of spirits. It will be only used for good things.

It's the same with menstrual blood. Women can consecrate it, just thinking and saying "all the blood leaving my body i consecrate to the Buddha". This is not the blood per se which is offered, but the subtle energy which emanates from the blood. Everything is food. If you give it to the Buddha, it will feed Buddha activity.
We were talking about writing out sutras. No one writes outs sutras in blood from a wound or anything like that.
There are preparations that go before the practice to purify the ink. From the point of view of an ordinary being, there would be nothing pure about the blood you are talking about and it wouldnt be something one would offer.
diamind wrote: However, using blood symbolically mixed with ink I would say is a great perversion, and seriously shrouded in wrong veiw.
I've never done it that way but I think it is common. Blood quagulates (turns thick) very quickly, I have heard that people will mix it with things to avoid this. Part of the diet preparations help with this too.
I think it just let them write more at one time.

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Post by Invokingvajras » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:20 pm

It was not a practice unheard of in Japanese Buddhism. The nun Bunchi was particularly fond of using body parts to make Dharma relics.

https://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/nfile/2718

An excerpt from the link reads:

"Using one’s own blood instead of ink was a way of showing extraordinary devotion involving “personal sacrifice.” The virtues of this act were promoted in several scriptures; one example is the following passage in the Ta chih tu lun 大智度論(J. Daichidoron): “If you truly love the [Buddhist] law, you should take your skin and use it as paper,take one of your bones and use it as a brush, and use your blood to write this (T. 25.178c)."
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Post by javier.espinoza.t » Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:01 am

Palzang Jangchub wrote:I came across this from the Box Sutra while reading about Avalokiteshvara in a text, A Garland of Jewels by Jamgön Mipham Rinpoche. Emphasis is mine.
The Box Sutra wrote:The Bhagavat Shakyamuni once said, "It is valuable for beings to hold the name of Avalokita. His great awareness mantra of six syllables was sought for sixteen kalpas by all tathagatas. Even the great mother of tathagatas prostrates to this awareness mantra.

"Those who hold it and recite it will acquire immeasurable merit. At the time of it's recitation tathagatas and bodhisattvas equal in number to the smallest particles will gather. Millions of buddhas will enter the pores of the reciter of this mantra. They will bestow their approval, saying 'Child of family, you have well acquired something worthy of acquisition. Even all the beings who live in your belly will become irreversible bodhisattvas.' The reciter will be guarded by devas, nagas, yakshas, and others.

"Anyone who keeps this mantra on their body will achieve a vajra body and a buddha's wisdom. They will acquire all complete qualities, including confidence, wisdom, love, and the paramitas. They will quickly achieve the unsurpassable awakening of buddhahood.

"Any being who touches or sees this mantra will become a bodhisattva who has reached the end of rebirth. This great awareness mantra pulls out the root of samsara. It guides one to liberation and omniscience. In search of this mantra, one should fill all of Jambudvipa with the seven jewels and offer it. If someone wishes to write this mantra down but lacks ink, it would be excellent for them to use their blood as ink, their skin as paper, and their bones as a pen."
http://tharlam.blogspot.com/2012/02/dharma-ink.html
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by the way, thank you!!!! this text is precious :bow:
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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by WuMing » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:57 pm

pael wrote:How widespread practice is copying sutras using one's blood?
I know of a Western Buddhist teacher who received a Heart Sutra Calligraphy from a contemporary Chinese Ch'an Master written with his own blood. So it is still done nowadays, but probably not very widespread, I guess.
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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by Sādhaka » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:31 am

Awesome thread.

The following would be Pure Land practice, and moreover consecrated by one's own blood by taking a sewing needle or blood lancet and mixing a few drops of your own blood into (preferably natural) ink (like J. Herbin; although any ink ought to do) and copying the following section of this Sutra:

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/words-of-th ... dless-life

ཨོཾ་ན་མོ་བྷ་ག་ཝ་ཏེ། ཨ་པ་རི་མི་ཏ་ཨཱ་ཡུརྫྙཱ་ན་སུ་བི་ནི་ཤྩི་ཏ་ཏེ་ཛོ་རྭ་ཛཱ་ཡ། ཏ་ཐཱ་ག་ཏཱ་ཡ། ཨརྷ་ཏེ་སམྱཀྶཾ་བུདྡྷཱ་ཡ། ཏདྱ་ཐཱ། ཨོཾ་པུཎྱེ་པུཎྱེ་མ་ཧཱ་པུཎྱེ། ཨ་པ་རི་མི་ཏ་པུཎྱེ་ཨ་པ་རི་མི་ཏ་པུཎྱ་ཛྙཱ་ན་སཾ་བྷཱ་རོ་པ་ཙི་ཏེ། ཨོཾ་སརྦ་སཾ་སྐཱ་ར་པ་རི་ཤུདྡྷ་དྷརྨ་ཏེ་ག་ག་ན་ས་མུཏྒ་ཏེ་སྭ་བྷཱ་ཝ་བི་ཤུདྡྷེ་མ་ཧཱ་ན་ཡ་པ་རི་ཝཱ་རེ་སྭཱ་ཧཱ།
om namo bhagawate | aparimita ayurjnana subinischita tejo rajaya | tathagataya arhate samyaksambuddhaya | tadyatha om punye punye maha punye | aparimita punye aparimita punya jnana sambharo pachite | om sarva samskara parishuddha dharmate gagana samudgate svabhava vishuddhe mahanaya parivare svaha |
oṃ namo bhagavate aparimitāyur-jñāna-suviniścita-tejo-rājāya tathāgatāya arhate samyak saṃbuddhāya | tadyathā | oṃ puṇye puṇye mahā-puṇye 'parimita-puṇye 'parimita-puṇya-jñāna-saṃbhāropacite | oṃ sarva-saṃskāra-pariśuddhe dharmate gagana-samudgate svabhāva-viśuddhe mahā-naya-parivāre svāhā |


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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by Simon E. » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:37 am

pael wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:56 pm
How widespread practice is copying sutras using one's blood?
I have no idea. But what an absolutely fatuous practice.

Why not just get enlightened.
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Post by weitsicht » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:54 am

Simon E. wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:37 am
pael wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:56 pm
How widespread practice is copying sutras using one's blood?
I have no idea. But what an absolutely fatuous practice.

Why not just get enlightened.
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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by Sādhaka » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:59 am

Why not do both.

Perhaps it's a Sutrayana level practice, but what can it hurt to have a brief instant of uncomfortableness, that is to spill up a drop or two of one's blood for the sake of the Dharma.
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“Just as a bird can not fly without both wings,
The welfare of others cannot be accomplished without the higher faculties of perception,
So diligently strive for your own wellbeing, whilst mentally considering the welfare of others.” — Longchenpa

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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by Simon E. » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:02 am

Oh behave... :roll:
If you use the word 'mind' without defining your terms I will ask you politely for a definition. :smile:
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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by Spelare » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:18 pm

I'm aware that there are reports of people taking this literally, and that sounds pretty metal. A bit macabre and theatrical, but who could doubt your commitment to the dharma afterwards? As for me, I'm not about to open any veins, at least not of my physical body. So, I'll take it metaphorically as an exhortation to have the dharma in one's blood. I guess I'm just not hardcore like that.

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Re: Copying sutras using one's blood

Post by Aryjna » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:20 pm

Spelare wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:18 pm
I'm aware that there are reports of people taking this literally, and that sounds pretty metal. A bit macabre and theatrical, but who could doubt your commitment to the dharma afterwards? As for me, I'm not about to open any veins, at least not of my physical body. So, I'll take it metaphorically as an exhortation to have the dharma in one's blood. I guess I'm just not hardcore like that.
I am not so sure that harming beings, even if it is yourself, for no good reason is a sign of commitment to the Dharma.

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