Vimalakirtinirdesha Sūtra

[HandsomeMonkeyking]

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There are several texts which suggest that, for a woman to become a Buddha, she must first be reborn as a man. However, the biographical sutras refer to several women who attained arhantship. What is the difference between a woman attaining Buddhahood and a woman attaining arhantship? Why one and not the other? I am confused.

Its just sexist bullshit in the sūtras, there is no need to pay it any serious mind. The remedy for this can be found in the Vimalakirtinirdesha sūtra.

In case you know the translation by Thurman: The Holy Teaching of Vimalkirti: A Mahayana Scripture
Do you think its good?

Or:

Which translation do you recommend?

[mechashivaz]

The only version I've read is Robert Thurman's which I'd guess, given his learning, is an accurate translation. He also has an informative and entertaining commentary available, the companion lectures on Audible (https://www.audible.com/pd/Religion-Spi ... 704&sr=1-4) which are a fantastic live commentary on the sutra.

[Nicholas Weeks]

The second sutra in this BDK book is the Vimalakirtinirdesha Sūtra

http://www.bdkamerica.org/system/files/ ... 2004_0.pdf

Also the Lamotte French version that Boin rendered into English is very good.

[Tiago Simões]

http://read.84000.co/#UT22084-060-005/title

Translated by Robert A. F. Thurman and first published, under the title The Holy Teaching of Vimalakīrti: A Mahāyāna Scripture, by the Pennsylvania State University Press, University Park and London, in 1976.
This electronic edition for 84000: Translating the Words of the Buddha, with an abridged introduction and notes, and lightly edited under the supervision of Professor Thurman, is published by his kind permission as the copyright holder.

[Losal Samten]

Comparisons between the renditions of the Chinese version by Luk and Watson, and of the Tibetan by Thurman and Lamotte.

http://www.academia.edu/7175821/The_Tea ... anslations

[Norwegian]

Comparisons between the renditions of the Chinese version by Luk and Watson, and of the Tibetan by Thurman and Lamotte.

http://www.academia.edu/7175821/The_Tea ... anslations

Is there a direct link of the PDF instead? I refuse to partake in sites that won't let you download material without signing in with your social media account. Furthermore, the above site wants my contact lists before it gives me access to the file (why do they need my contacts? What if my contacts don't want their info given to such a site). So, I declined that request. And that means I can't access the file.

[Losal Samten]

Comparisons between the renditions of the Chinese version by Luk and Watson, and of the Tibetan by Thurman and Lamotte.

http://www.academia.edu/7175821/The_Tea ... anslations

Is there a direct link of the PDF instead? I refuse to partake in sites that won't let you download material without signing in with your social media account. Furthermore, the above site wants my contact lists before it gives me access to the file (why do they need my contacts? What if my contacts don't want their info given to such a site). So, I declined that request. And that means I can't access the file.

If you sign up for an academia.edu account proper you can download freely (and you don't have to link your social media to it). It's worth doing as you can follow academics and see when they upload their new papers, their old papers, which and whose papers they've bookmarked etc. so you can get a daily update on these kinds of things.

For example: http://abload.de/img/untitledu0k1t.jpg

[Norwegian]

Comparisons between the renditions of the Chinese version by Luk and Watson, and of the Tibetan by Thurman and Lamotte.

http://www.academia.edu/7175821/The_Tea ... anslations

Is there a direct link of the PDF instead? I refuse to partake in sites that won't let you download material without signing in with your social media account. Furthermore, the above site wants my contact lists before it gives me access to the file (why do they need my contacts? What if my contacts don't want their info given to such a site). So, I declined that request. And that means I can't access the file.

If you sign up for an academia.edu account proper you can download freely (and you don't have to link your social media to it). It's worth doing as you can follow academics and see when they upload their new papers, their old papers, which and whose papers they've bookmarked etc. so you can get a daily update on these kinds of things.

For example: http://abload.de/img/untitledu0k1t.jpg

That sounds like a better alternative.

[Queequeg]

Vimalakiriti was an amazing character who does not get his due. Little by little, though, his name is getting around again. He will be a revered bodhisattva again... He is the layperson's hero.

[dzogchungpa]

Vimalakiriti was an amazing character who does not get his due. Little by little, though, his name is getting around again. He will be a revered bodhisattva again... He is the layperson's hero.

My man DJKR has quite a bit to say about V in his prefatory commentary “A Celebrity Falls Sick”, see:
http://84000.co/the-sutra-of-the-teachi ... malakirti/

[Queequeg]

Vimalakiriti was an amazing character who does not get his due. Little by little, though, his name is getting around again. He will be a revered bodhisattva again... He is the layperson's hero.

My man DJKR has quite a bit to say about V in his prefatory commentary “A Celebrity Falls Sick”, see:
http://84000.co/the-sutra-of-the-teachi ... malakirti/

I read that. Very nice.

Thurman was one of my MA advisors. I had a wonderful opportunity to read his translation with him.

[Wayfarer]

that is so cool, being able to say that.

[Dharma Flower]

My favorite part of this sutra is the first chapter, in which he says the Pure Land is really here and now, and that the world only appears impure for the sake of leading unenlightened beings to salvation.

[DGA]

My favorite part of this sutra is the first chapter, in which he says the Pure Land is really here and now, and that the world only appears impure for the sake of leading unenlightened beings to salvation.

That's an interesting point. If you have time, would you mind quoting that for everyone's benefit?