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Re: Weather

Post by Fortyeightvows » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:13 pm

Strive wrote:my question was about buddhas. why do u need more buddhas when Shakyamuni already taught the path?
How about this:
Since buddhas are so powerful and the karma created in relation to a buddha is so heavy, buddhas exist as 'fields of merit'. So, one can supplicate the buddha and create merit through their relationship with the buddha and that is what can effect our lives and the weather and so on.
Through our interaction with the buddha we do change our karma.

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Re: Weather

Post by Dan74 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:15 pm

Strive wrote:
Dan74 wrote:Why did the masters over the centuries teach the path in a different way to different audiences? Using skilful means to adapt the Dharma to the questioner or disciple?

As for emanation, I'm afraid I'm not quite on the same page with you there.
how is 8fold path so complicated that u have to teach it in a different way? it is simple stuff
Are you free from suffering and delusion? If it's so simple, why not?

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Re: Weather

Post by Strive » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:17 pm

Dan74 wrote:
Strive wrote:
Dan74 wrote:Why did the masters over the centuries teach the path in a different way to different audiences? Using skilful means to adapt the Dharma to the questioner or disciple?

As for emanation, I'm afraid I'm not quite on the same page with you there.
how is 8fold path so complicated that u have to teach it in a different way? it is simple stuff
Are you free from suffering and delusion? If it's so simple, why not?
doesnt it take some time and practice? is it supposed to be like magic?

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Re: Weather

Post by Dan74 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:43 pm

I think if you spend some time on practice, you realise the value of teachers, especially ones who come close to being Buddhas or arahats.

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Re: Weather

Post by Strive » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:51 pm

Dan74 wrote:I think if you spend some time on practice, you realise the value of teachers, especially ones who come close to being Buddhas or arahats.
who are ur teachers if u dont mind me askin

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Re: Weather

Post by Malcolm » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:01 am

Strive wrote:Do buddhas have the ability to control the weather?
My teacher, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa, had this ability, as did my other teacher, Ngakpa Yeshe Dorje, who was the official weather controller for the Tibetan Government in Exile until the mid-1980's.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Weather

Post by Strive » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:09 am

Malcolm wrote:
Strive wrote:Do buddhas have the ability to control the weather?
My teacher, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa, had this ability, as did my other teacher, Ngakpa Yeshe Dorje, who was the official weather controller for the Tibetan Government in Exile until the mid-1980's.
were they able to stop hurricanes, tsunamis, tornadoes etc?

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Re: Weather

Post by Malcolm » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:12 am

Strive wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Strive wrote:Do buddhas have the ability to control the weather?
My teacher, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa, had this ability, as did my other teacher, Ngakpa Yeshe Dorje, who was the official weather controller for the Tibetan Government in Exile until the mid-1980's.
were they able to stop hurricanes, tsunamis, tornadoes etc?
Kunzang Dechen Lingpa had this ability. Ngagpa Rinpoche was able to stop monsoon rains, droughts, and so on.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Weather

Post by Strive » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:22 am

Malcolm wrote:
Strive wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
My teacher, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa, had this ability, as did my other teacher, Ngakpa Yeshe Dorje, who was the official weather controller for the Tibetan Government in Exile until the mid-1980's.
were they able to stop hurricanes, tsunamis, tornadoes etc?
Kunzang Dechen Lingpa had this ability. Ngagpa Rinpoche was able to stop monsoon rains, droughts, and so on.
very big claims u making there Malcolm. if all buddhas have that ability why still so much death and destruction from natural disasters?

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Re: Weather

Post by Malcolm » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:24 am

Strive wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Strive wrote: were they able to stop hurricanes, tsunamis, tornadoes etc?
Kunzang Dechen Lingpa had this ability. Ngagpa Rinpoche was able to stop monsoon rains, droughts, and so on.
very big claims u making there Malcolm. if all buddhas have that ability why still so much death and destruction from natural disasters?
Buddhas are omniscient, not omnipotent.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Weather

Post by Strive » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:26 am

Malcolm wrote:
Strive wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Kunzang Dechen Lingpa had this ability. Ngagpa Rinpoche was able to stop monsoon rains, droughts, and so on.
very big claims u making there Malcolm. if all buddhas have that ability why still so much death and destruction from natural disasters?
Buddhas are omniscient, not omnipotent.
you just said your teachers who i assume are buddhas have the ability to stop hurricanes and tsunamis. how is that not omnipotence? lol

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Re: Weather

Post by Malcolm » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:08 am

Strive wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Strive wrote: very big claims u making there Malcolm. if all buddhas have that ability why still so much death and destruction from natural disasters?
Buddhas are omniscient, not omnipotent.
you just said your teachers who i assume are buddhas have the ability to stop hurricanes and tsunamis. how is that not omnipotence? lol

Buddhas are not omnipotent. Just trust me on that.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Weather

Post by Tsun Dru Dorje » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:57 am

Dan74 wrote:
Strive wrote:
Dan74 wrote:Ah, I see. So what do you see as the difference? To make sure we are talking about the same thing?
not much difference. both free from samsara
So then you don't see why having a Buddha or an arahat in the world today would be useful?
Who is to say there isn't.

Actually this is a pointless discussion ..........just sayin'.

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Re: Weather

Post by Strive » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:05 am

Malcolm wrote:
Strive wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Buddhas are omniscient, not omnipotent.
you just said your teachers who i assume are buddhas have the ability to stop hurricanes and tsunamis. how is that not omnipotence? lol

Buddhas are not omnipotent. Just trust me on that.
yet they can stop hurricanes and tsunamis. okie dokie. I wish some of these buddhas could of stopped hurricane harvey.

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Re: Weather

Post by Strive » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:07 am

Tsun Dru Dorje wrote:
Dan74 wrote:
Strive wrote: not much difference. both free from samsara
So then you don't see why having a Buddha or an arahat in the world today would be useful?
Who is to say there isn't.

Actually this is a pointless discussion ..........just sayin'.
No one is forcing u to join this discussion. "just sayin"

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Re: Weather

Post by The Cicada » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:14 am

Strive wrote:and some ppl say one buddha can create billions of emanations to teach others so isnt one buddha enough?
I have a friend who lives on the eastern coast of the US, though I live in Texas, and we've had enough trouble understanding one another because of ethnic and socioeconomic differences as well as because of nuanced differences between the cultures of our respective areas despite living within the same nation and speaking the same language. No doubt the karmic differences between worlds spread out across the universe make for much more pronounced variances that require appearing in vastly varying forms in order to be intelligible and appealing to each world and its inhabitants.

Yet, even the differences on our own world can make it difficult for some to resonate with Buddha Shakyamuni. Some people have even suggested that Lord Shakya be represented as different minority groups or as a woman—like a Buddhi resembling Beyonce standing and holding out her hand in tarjami mudra—for this very reason.

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Re: Weather

Post by Dan74 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:52 am

Strive wrote:
Dan74 wrote:I think if you spend some time on practice, you realise the value of teachers, especially ones who come close to being Buddhas or arahats.
who are ur teachers if u dont mind me askin
Are you familiar with Seon (Korean Zen)? My teacher was from that tradition.

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Re: Weather

Post by TharpaChodron » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:06 am

Strive wrote:what is the point of being buddha if u can barely help out others due to their karma?
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Because a Buddha has realization of the ultimate nature of reality??? Like, what is the point of being a friend or caring for others if we can't literally save them from their own mistakes? Because we care and are there for them at all times, unconditionally, maybe.

If one thinks that the power of Buddhas lies in their ability to control weather or remove karma etc., that's another religion, precisely not the Buddhist viewpoint and completely mistaken.

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Re: Weather

Post by Dan74 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:29 am

Even medical science is now investing a great deal of effort and money into personalised treatments. How much more so when it comes to the Dharma that is to do with much more complex issues. Personality, background, karmic dispositions, etc etc.

One size doesn't fit all.

If you read the Pali suttas, the Buddha as recorded there, did not retire after teaching the Noble Eigthfold Path. He taught differently to different people for 45 years. And in Mahayana we have even more.

It's good to keep it simple, but not too simple.

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Re: Weather

Post by Vasana » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:21 am

Strive wrote: So if you pray to the buddhas for good weather but nothing happens its because u have bad karma? what is the point of being buddha if u can barely help out others due to their karma?

Buddhasutra :

'I don’t wash away the negativity of living beings with water. I don’t remove their suffering with my hand. Neither do I transfer my realizations to them. I free living beings from suffering by teaching them reality.'
English Dharma talk
May 7, 2016
By Geshe Pema Tshering

Today, we’ll start this text. As an introduction, let’s look at a citation from Buddhasutra in which the Buddha proclaimed,

'I don’t wash away the negativity of living beings with water. I don’t remove their suffering with my hand. Neither do I transfer my realizations to them. I free living beings from suffering by teaching them reality.'

So the Buddha has many excellent good qualities: omniscience and so on. But he proclaims he can’t remove the misdeeds or negativities of sentient beings in the same way that one may be able to remove physical dirt with water.

In the second line of this stanza, Buddha says I can’t remove your suffering with my hand. He’s referring to certain forms of external treatment that can be applied when sentient beings suffer. E.g. if a thorn is embedded in your flesh, to remove the suffering caused by that thorn, you can remove it with your hand and apply some external treatment to alleviate and eliminate that suffering. So the Buddha says I can’t remove that suffering like a way a thorn can be removed from flesh.

In the third line, the Buddha says: I can’t transfer my realizations to others. The Buddha has attained all excellent qualities, the final abandonments of all negative traits and he’s attained the highest happiness, ultimate happiness. However, it doesn’t mean he can transfer his attainments to others. He can’t transfer his ultimate to others. In the third line, he claims he can’t transfer his good qualities to others.

In the fourth line the Buddha says: I lead sentient beings to happiness by revealing the path to reality. The Buddha understands that we have this situation in which we are subject to suffering. In daily lives, we encounter different kinds of difficulties. While this is the case, there’s no one who wants any difficulty / problems. If our suffering occurs on a physical level, it’s possible to apply some physical means to rid that suffering. E.g. we suffer from some sickness, it’s possible to undergo some physical treatment. If our impurity is on a physical level, e.g. dirt or mud, we can use some physical means to remove that impurity. But when it comes to the mind, the Buddha explained that we have to apply the path. So we have physical sufferings, mental sufferings, but all these undesirable experiences can be traced to the untamed mind. So in order to fix this problem at the root, the Buddha revealed the path. So the Buddha serves as a guide for us to traverse the path to happiness. So we need to examine the Buddha’s teachings carefully and try to understand what is this path he’s taught. Through understanding that all our undesirable experiences can be traced to our unruly mind, then we can apply the Buddha’s teachings to transform our mind. We should then try to understand what reality is, and transform our mind accordingly, and the path that will lead to happiness.
They cannot remove our suffering as if taking out a thorn from someone else’s skin, or lift us out of samsara like a mother cat picking up her kittens by the scruff of their necks. They cannot give us their wisdom, compassion or spiritual realizations as if giving a birthday present. There is therefore no sense in passively waiting for Buddhas to save us from our delusions and problems and dangers-if they could do so, they already would have. Though Buddhas have the perfect ability to help all living beings, and want nothing more than to give all living beings the limitless bliss they themselves experience, we can only receive their full help and protection if we also do something from our side, and train our mind in removing our own delusions.
'When alone, watch your mind. When with others, watch your speech'- Old Kadampa saying.

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