Do Boddhisatvas experience a continuity of identity?

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M.G.
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Do Boddhisatvas experience a continuity of identity?

Post by M.G. » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:35 am

Something I've wondered.

How much continuity of identity, if any, do Boddhisattvas experience as between incarnations?

It's hard for me to imagine that almost all of the components of identity - memory, personality, cognition - arent devastated or obliterated by death, but then again, I'm not any kind of a yogi.

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Re: Do Boddhisatvas experience a continuity of identity?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:38 am

M.G. wrote:Something I've wondered.

How much continuity of identity, if any, do Boddhisattvas experience as between incarnations?

It's hard for me to imagine that almost all of the components of identity - memory, personality, cognition - arent devastated or obliterated by death, but then again, I'm not any kind of a yogi.

Depends on how high. 8th stage on up, yes.
Buddhahood in This Life
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Re: Do Boddhisatvas experience a continuity of identity?

Post by Temicco » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:11 am

Malcolm wrote:
M.G. wrote:Something I've wondered.

How much continuity of identity, if any, do Boddhisattvas experience as between incarnations?

It's hard for me to imagine that almost all of the components of identity - memory, personality, cognition - arent devastated or obliterated by death, but then again, I'm not any kind of a yogi.

Depends on how high. 8th stage on up, yes.
Source?
"Deliberate upon that which does not deliberate."
-Yaoshan Weiyan

"Right now if students are in fact truly genuine, source teachers can contact their potential and activate it with a single word or phrase, or a single act or scene."
-Yuanwu Keqin

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Re: Do Boddhisatvas experience a continuity of identity?

Post by Malcolm » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:16 am

Temicco wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
M.G. wrote:Something I've wondered.

How much continuity of identity, if any, do Boddhisattvas experience as between incarnations?

It's hard for me to imagine that almost all of the components of identity - memory, personality, cognition - arent devastated or obliterated by death, but then again, I'm not any kind of a yogi.

Depends on how high. 8th stage on up, yes.
Source?
This is the stage in which bodhisattvas attain power over birth. Source, Abhisamayalaṃkāra, etc.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Do Boddhisatvas experience a continuity of identity?

Post by Temicco » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:08 am

Malcolm wrote:
Temicco wrote:
Malcolm wrote:

Depends on how high. 8th stage on up, yes.
Source?
This is the stage in which bodhisattvas attain power over birth. Source, Abhisamayalaṃkāra, etc.
Thanks.
"Deliberate upon that which does not deliberate."
-Yaoshan Weiyan

"Right now if students are in fact truly genuine, source teachers can contact their potential and activate it with a single word or phrase, or a single act or scene."
-Yuanwu Keqin

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Re: Do Boddhisatvas experience a continuity of identity?

Post by ItsRaining » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:23 am

Malcolm wrote:
M.G. wrote:Something I've wondered.

How much continuity of identity, if any, do Boddhisattvas experience as between incarnations?

It's hard for me to imagine that almost all of the components of identity - memory, personality, cognition - arent devastated or obliterated by death, but then again, I'm not any kind of a yogi.

Depends on how high. 8th stage on up, yes.
Then what happens to Bodhisattvas on lower grounds? Say if someone attained kensho or a lower ground what happens to that attainment in the next life?

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Re: Do Boddhisatvas experience a continuity of identity?

Post by M.G. » Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:03 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Temicco wrote:
Malcolm wrote:

Depends on how high. 8th stage on up, yes.
Source?
This is the stage in which bodhisattvas attain power over birth. Source, Abhisamayalaṃkāra, etc.
Thank you Malcolm.

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