How is Time experienced by Bodhisattvas and Buddhas?

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How is Time experienced by Bodhisattvas and Buddhas?

Post by Vasana » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:36 pm

As the title says, How is Time experienced by,

1. Bodhisattvas?
2 Buddhas?

Sometimes I think about the endless nature of samsara and the thought alone seems tedious, both for beings and prospective Bodhisattvas. Like watching a soap opera omnibus on repeat again and again and again and again, ad-nfinitum, ad-nauseum. I'm almost certain that this impatient aversion is the result of my not thoroughly understanding what time really is for a mindstream that's not bound by the same constraints of identification as those possesed by sentient beings.

It's also said that Bodhisattvas on the first Bhumi can manifest in a hundred aeons in an insant. What does that actually mean?
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Re: How is Time experienced by Bodhisattvas and Buddhas?

Post by Coëmgenu » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:53 pm

Vasana wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:36 pm
As the title says, How is Time experienced by,

1. Bodhisattvas?
2 Buddhas?

Sometimes I think about the endless nature of samsara and the thought alone seems tedious, both for beings and prospective Bodhisattvas. Like watching a soap opera omnibus on repeat again and again and again and again, ad-nfinitum, ad-nauseum. I'm almost certain that this impatient aversion is the result of my not thoroughly understanding what time really is for a mindstream that's not bound by the same constraints of identification as those possesed by sentient beings.

It's also said that Bodhisattvas on the first Bhumi can manifest in a hundred aeons in an insant. What does that actually mean?
1. Normally
2. Not at all

Thats just my best guess though. There is no doctrinal weight or anything of the like behind that appraisal.
並畢竟空。並如來藏。並實相。非三 而三三而不三。非合非散而合而散。非非合非非散。不可一異而一異。
All three truths are ultimately empty, all are tathāgatagarbha, all are true aspect. Not three, they are three; three, they are not three. Neither combined nor separated, neither uncombined nor unseparated. Neither same nor different, yet in a sense same, and in a sense different.

夫三諦者。 天然之性徳也。 中諦者。 統一切法。 眞諦者。 泯一切法。 俗諦者。 立一切法。
The three truths. Heaven-sent natural characteristics. The middle truth unifies all dharmāḥ. The ultimate truth demolishes all dharmāḥ. The conventional truth establishes all dharmāḥ.

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Re: How is Time experienced by Bodhisattvas and Buddhas?

Post by Queequeg » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:22 pm

This morning, for some reason, I was thinking about 9/11, and for a second, I forgot how long ago it happened. I thought, was it 2011? And then I realized its been 16 years. I remember bicycling between the towers on the Sunday before, looking up and thinking I was standing in Rome before it was sacked... 16 years and I remember it well. I remember the blue skies and standing in the quiet and remarkably empty sunday afternoon plaza with the towers stretching up beside me. I then started thinking back to high school, and its been mumble mumble years. I remember a lot of that, too, and it doesn't seem that long ago. Decades are instantaneous as I look back in my memory. But a century is unfathomable because I have not experienced a century... yet.

When a Buddha awakens, they say they remember all of their past lives deep into the remote, infinite past. They remember it all like it was earlier today. Bodhisattvas are said to remember many of their past lives, but even they can only look so far.

When you can look back over time and see eternity in a single moment, I think its something like us remembering the last decade. You both understand how long an eternity is, and how short.

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Re: How is Time experienced by Bodhisattvas and Buddhas?

Post by PuerAzaelis » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:31 pm

Vasana wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:36 pm
As the title says, How is Time experienced by ...
I don't even know how time is experienced by normal persons.

E.g.:

Does time exist in its own right? Or is it a property of something else?
Vasana wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:36 pm
It's also said that Bodhisattvas on the first Bhumi can manifest in a hundred aeons in an insant. What does that actually mean?
Maybe they have a Tardis.
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Re: How is Time experienced by Bodhisattvas and Buddhas?

Post by White Lotus » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:23 pm

The present moment is satori, it is enlightenment. For me this moment is a flow. For a Buddha perhaps not. Tom. :namaste:
in any matters of importance. dont rely on me. i may not know what i am talking about. take what i say as mere speculation. i am not ordained. nor do i have a formal training. i do believe though that if i am wrong on any point. there are those on this site who i hope will quickly point out my mistakes.

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Re: How is Time experienced by Bodhisattvas and Buddhas?

Post by Rick » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:50 pm

Vasana wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:36 pm
I'm almost certain that this impatient aversion is the result of my not thoroughly understanding what time really is for a mindstream that's not bound by the same constraints of identification as those possesed by sentient beings.
I would think that realized beings experience time in two ways simultaneously: not at all (as do those in deep flow, meditation, etc.) *and* conventionally (clock time — tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock ...).
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Re: How is Time experienced by Bodhisattvas and Buddhas?

Post by Queequeg » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:52 pm

PuerAzaelis wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:31 pm

I don't even know how time is experienced by normal persons.
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