"Believe nothing unless..." quote

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Re: "Believe nothing unless..." quote

Post by SunWuKong » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:35 pm

theres a book of quotes by jack kornfield, which are often attributed to the Buddha. Maybe a Kornfield scholar knows where the quote originates?
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Re: "Believe nothing unless..." quote

Post by dzogchungpa » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:17 pm

I did a little poking around and I found a statement in a lecture by Henry S. Olcott, presented and published in 1880, which I think is more than likely the original source for what eventually became this "quote":

Buddha said that we should believe nothing upon authority, not even his own, but believe because our reason told us the assertion was true.
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Re: "Believe nothing unless..." quote

Post by Kim O'Hara » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:45 am

dzogchungpa wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:17 pm
I did a little poking around and I found a statement in a lecture by Henry S. Olcott, presented and published in 1880, which I think is more than likely the original source for what eventually became this "quote":

Buddha said that we should believe nothing upon authority, not even his own, but believe because our reason told us the assertion was true.
The similarity of wording does point in that direction.
But I had to laugh at the ironies to be found in his assertion, near the end of the lecture, that, "We have even manufactured a religion to suit ourselves out of Asiatic materials, and think it better than any religion that was ever heard of before."

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Re: "Believe nothing unless..." quote

Post by weitsicht » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:05 pm

Thank you very much dzogchungpa!
Kim O'Hara wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:45 am
But I had to laugh at the ironies to be found in his assertion, near the end of the lecture, that, "We have even manufactured a religion to suit ourselves out of Asiatic materials, and think it better than any religion that was ever heard of before."
Amusing indeed!
When conceptual thinking arises,
Don't look at what arises: be what knows the arising.
Like an oak peg in hard ground,
Stand firm in awareness that knows.
And go deep into mystery.

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Re: "Believe nothing unless..." quote

Post by DGA » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 am

weitsicht wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:05 pm
Thank you very much dzogchungpa!
Kim O'Hara wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:45 am
But I had to laugh at the ironies to be found in his assertion, near the end of the lecture, that, "We have even manufactured a religion to suit ourselves out of Asiatic materials, and think it better than any religion that was ever heard of before."
Amusing indeed!
in this post are named some examples of those who have manufactured a new religion to suit themselves out of Asiatic materials in translation, and who seem to think it is better than any religion that has ever been:

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