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Self-referential aspects of Lotus Sutra

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:26 pm
by DGA
An interesting point was raised in a separate thread, and I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.

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What do you make of the self-referential moments in the Lotus Sutra? How do you understand those?

This certainly isn't the only sutra I know of that includes self-referential discourse, but it is the only one I know of that does so in the context of an elaborated narrative.

Re: Self-referential aspects of Lotus Sutra

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:09 am
by Queequeg
Can't speak in general, but in East Asian Lotus tradition, True Mahayana (as opposed to Provisional Mahayana) is all considered the Lotus. My basis in saying this is that I've found that Mahaparinirvana Sutra will be quoted as referring to or elaborating the Lotus when the text literally refers to Mahayana.

Re: Self-referential aspects of Lotus Sutra

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:23 am
by Malcolm
Queequeg wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:09 am
Can't speak in general, but in East Asian Lotus tradition, True Mahayana (as opposed to Provisional Mahayana) is all considered the Lotus. My basis in saying this is that I've found that Mahaparinirvana Sutra will be quoted as referring to or elaborating the Lotus when the text literally refers to Mahayana.
The Nirvana Sūtra refers to the Lotus exactly once.