How are Madhyamaka and Yogacara teachings actually realised?

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How are Madhyamaka and Yogacara teachings actually realised?

Post by ItsRaining » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:08 am

So the Madhyamaka and Yogacara teach emptiness and mind only respectively but how are they realised? In a previous thread I posted, I found out early Mahayana practitioners mostly did similar practices to Hinayana schools. So how did they realise Madhayamaka or Yogacara teachings while doing virtually the same thing as the Sravakas?

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Re: How are Madhyamaka and Yogacara teachings actually realised?

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:30 am

ItsRaining wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:08 am
So the Madhyamaka and Yogacara teach emptiness and mind only respectively but how are they realised? In a previous thread I posted, I found out early Mahayana practitioners mostly did similar practices to Hinayana schools. So how did they realise Madhayamaka or Yogacara teachings while doing virtually the same thing as the Sravakas?
They practice the same path, the six perfections.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: How are Madhyamaka and Yogacara teachings actually realised?

Post by ItsRaining » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:33 am

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:30 am
ItsRaining wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:08 am
So the Madhyamaka and Yogacara teach emptiness and mind only respectively but how are they realised? In a previous thread I posted, I found out early Mahayana practitioners mostly did similar practices to Hinayana schools. So how did they realise Madhayamaka or Yogacara teachings while doing virtually the same thing as the Sravakas?
They practice the same path, the six perfections.
But how did they realise the specific teachings in their systems? If they practiced the same things why were their teachings/realisation different?

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Re: How are Madhyamaka and Yogacara teachings actually realised?

Post by Astus » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:08 am

ItsRaining wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:33 am
But how did they realise the specific teachings in their systems? If they practiced the same things why were their teachings/realisation different?
While there are shared practices, just as Buddhism in general shares techniques with other Indian religions, when it comes to the wisdom part, Madhyamaka and Yogacara use different contemplations than the Sravaka Abhidharmikas. So you could say that samatha practices are mostly common, vipasyana is mostly not.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: How are Madhyamaka and Yogacara teachings actually realised?

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:26 pm

ItsRaining wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:33 am
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:30 am
ItsRaining wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:08 am
So the Madhyamaka and Yogacara teach emptiness and mind only respectively but how are they realised? In a previous thread I posted, I found out early Mahayana practitioners mostly did similar practices to Hinayana schools. So how did they realise Madhayamaka or Yogacara teachings while doing virtually the same thing as the Sravakas?
They practice the same path, the six perfections.
But how did they realise the specific teachings in their systems? If they practiced the same things why were their teachings/realisation different?
Their realization differed because their view differed. From the perspective of Candrakīrti, for example, Yogacāra practice does not lead to the path of seeing. This was contested by Yogacārins, naturally.

If we examine the texts of the respective systems, we can see that the standard division of Madhyamaka and Yogacāra as deep and vast is grounded in reality.

Madhyamaka focuses on the profound view, whereas, Yogacāra focuses on a detailed explanation of the bodhisattva path. There is no difference in practice, but there is a difference in view. The de facto Indian position (while not entirely uncontested) is that Madhyamaka and the Perfection of Wisdom Sūtras are the summum bonum of Mahāyāna teachings.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: How are Madhyamaka and Yogacara teachings actually realised?

Post by pael » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:12 am

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:26 pm
ItsRaining wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:33 am
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:30 am


They practice the same path, the six perfections.
But how did they realise the specific teachings in their systems? If they practiced the same things why were their teachings/realisation different?
Their realization differed because their view differed. From the perspective of Candrakīrti, for example, Yogacāra practice does not lead to the path of seeing. This was contested by Yogacārins, naturally.

If we examine the texts of the respective systems, we can see that the standard division of Madhyamaka and Yogacāra as deep and vast is grounded in reality.

Madhyamaka focuses on the profound view, whereas, Yogacāra focuses on a detailed explanation of the bodhisattva path. There is no difference in practice, but there is a difference in view. The de facto Indian position (while not entirely uncontested) is that Madhyamaka and the Perfection of Wisdom Sūtras are the summum bonum of Mahāyāna teachings.
Which views Avatamsaka Sutra, Lotus Sutra and Nirvana Sutra represents?
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