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Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Jingang » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:21 am

Just a question on the Amitabha mantra. The most common one is Om Amideva Hrih. However I also read it by Tulku Thondup Rinpoche as Om Amitabha Hrih.

Is anyone familiar with the latter?

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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Cyrus » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:16 am

Hello Jingang,

I have been wondering about this too since I read 'Peaceful Death, Joyful Rebirth' and from what I have gathered they are more or less interchangeable.
Venerable Thubten Chodron stated this in a recent teaching on the Amitabha practice, I do not know which episode it was but they are certainly worth watching all of them:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... YLfiMs8sc0

Personally I have experienced an auspicious effect with the Ami Deva variation and this is the mantra that was taught to me when I received the Amitabha empowerment from Ayang Rinpoche.
I would care to hear what your impression is of these two mantra variations and if you have experienced a difference between them in their vibration or frequency.

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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Cyrus » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:09 am

In this writing on the Amitabha mantra by Bodhipaksa he states the following:

"Amitabha’s mantra is a variant of his name. Amideva is just the Tibetan pronunciation of Amitabha (although I was told for a long time that “deva” here meant “god”)."
Source: https://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/amitabha

This seems a plausible explanation for the discrepancy between these two variations of the same mantra although as he rightly states the word 'deva' is indeed Sanskrit for the word 'god'.
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Vasana » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:54 am

Deva can also be used to refer to a deity, a divinity, a yidam etc
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Vasana » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:55 am

Also: I'm becoming more interested in Amitabha. If one hasn't received an empowerment for either mantra, is it still Ok to use any of them since they're sutra based?
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Grigoris » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:08 am

Vasana wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:55 am
... is it still Ok to use any of them since they're sutra based?
Yup. But many of the Tibetan practices for Amitabha are tantric, so...

PS It is acceptable to just chant the seed syllable too: HRIH
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Vasana » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:12 am

Grigoris wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:08 am
Vasana wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:55 am
... is it still Ok to use any of them since they're sutra based?
Yup. But many of the Tibetan practices for Amitabha are tantric, so...
I figured that there may be Amitabha Sadhanas that don't require lung? Similar to those Shakyamuni, Medicine Buddha, Chenrezig and Tara practices that you can practice without lung.
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Grigoris » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:52 am

Vasana wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:12 am
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:08 am
Vasana wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:55 am
... is it still Ok to use any of them since they're sutra based?
Yup. But many of the Tibetan practices for Amitabha are tantric, so...
I figured that there may be Amitabha Sadhanas that don't require lung? Similar to those Shakyamuni, Medicine Buddha, Chenrezig and Tara practices that you can practice without lung.
There may well be, but I have not seen one yet. Check the FPMT website, they generally have many sutric sadhana available.
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Cyrus » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:26 am

Vasana wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:54 am
Deva can also be used to refer to a deity, a divinity, a yidam etc
True, within the ancient culture of India the terms deity, divinity and god being are rather synonymous for the same phenomenon if I am not mistaken.

As Grigoris stated the Amitabha mantra can be practised without receiving an initiation.
With regard to your question about whether a Amitabha Sadhana practise exists that can be practised without receiving an empowerment is something I too am uncertain about as I also have not encountered one.

Nevertheless there is the Aspiration Prayer of Sukhavati by Karma Chagme which I can recommend that can be practised without a lung:
https://vdocuments.site/documents/karma ... 58-en.html

May it be of great benefit.

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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Cyrus » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:58 am

Vasana wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:12 am
I figured that there may be Amitabha Sadhanas that don't require lung? Similar to those Shakyamuni, Medicine Buddha, Chenrezig and Tara practices that you can practice without lung.
I encountered 'The Swift Path to Great Bliss' which was deciphered by the Thirteenth Dalai Lama, this sādhana of Amitābha is among the most famous revelations of Tertön Sogyal Lerab Lingpa:

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... reat-bliss

Lotsawa House does not mention the necessity to have received the appropriate tantric empowerment in order to practice this sādhana.
If you want to be sure whether this is the case, I suggest you contact them.

I hope this is the sādhana that may fulfil your wish.

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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Grigoris » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:59 am

Cyrus wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:26 am
Nevertheless there is the Aspiration Prayer of Sukhavati by Karma Chagme which I can recommend that can be practised without a lung:
https://vdocuments.site/documents/karma ... 58-en.html

May it be of great benefit.

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That's a nice one! :smile:
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Cyrus » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:27 am

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:59 am
Cyrus wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:26 am
Nevertheless there is the Aspiration Prayer of Sukhavati by Karma Chagme which I can recommend that can be practised without a lung:
https://vdocuments.site/documents/karma ... 58-en.html

May it be of great benefit.

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That's a nice one! :smile:
I agree! It is a phenomenal prayer, especially when practised regularly or as Karma Chagme advises:

"If possible, recite this aspiration every day, if not, once every month or every year. When you are at leisure, face the
west and recollect the realm of Sukhavati and Buddha Amitabha. With palms joined in devotion and recite this aspiration prayer with one-pointed faith, it is said that your obstacles in this life will be dispelled. There is no doubt you will be reborn in Sukhavati after this life."


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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Vasana » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:39 pm

Cyrus wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:58 am
Vasana wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:12 am
I figured that there may be Amitabha Sadhanas that don't require lung? Similar to those Shakyamuni, Medicine Buddha, Chenrezig and Tara practices that you can practice without lung.
I encountered 'The Swift Path to Great Bliss' which was deciphered by the Thirteenth Dalai Lama, this sādhana of Amitābha is among the most famous revelations of Tertön Sogyal Lerab Lingpa:

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... reat-bliss

Lotsawa House does not mention the necessity to have received the appropriate tantric empowerment in order to practice this sādhana.
If you want to be sure whether this is the case, I suggest you contact them.

I hope this is the sādhana that may fulfil your wish.

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I havn't messaged Lotsawa House yet and from the looks of that text it looks like it would need a rLung but I recently found this simple and concise sādhana compiled by Lama Thubten Yeshe. I emailed Sravasti Abbey and was told it does not require a transmission to practice. :smile:
https://thubtenchodron.org/2017/07/amitabha-sadhana/
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Seeker12 » Thu May 10, 2018 2:55 am

Cyrus wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:09 am
In this writing on the Amitabha mantra by Bodhipaksa he states the following:

"Amitabha’s mantra is a variant of his name. Amideva is just the Tibetan pronunciation of Amitabha (although I was told for a long time that “deva” here meant “god”)."
Source: https://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/amitabha

This seems a plausible explanation for the discrepancy between these two variations of the same mantra although as he rightly states the word 'deva' is indeed Sanskrit for the word 'god'.
I think it’s actually from dewa, not deva, though it’s often transliterated as deva.

Dewa I believe refers to Dewachen or Sukhavati.
Better than if there were thousands of meaningless words is
one meaningful word that on hearing brings peace. Dhp

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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by yan kong » Thu May 10, 2018 8:51 pm

Seeker12 wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 2:55 am
Cyrus wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:09 am
In this writing on the Amitabha mantra by Bodhipaksa he states the following:

"Amitabha’s mantra is a variant of his name. Amideva is just the Tibetan pronunciation of Amitabha (although I was told for a long time that “deva” here meant “god”)."
Source: https://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/amitabha

This seems a plausible explanation for the discrepancy between these two variations of the same mantra although as he rightly states the word 'deva' is indeed Sanskrit for the word 'god'.
I think it’s actually from dewa, not deva, though it’s often transliterated as deva.

Dewa I believe refers to Dewachen or Sukhavati.
Wouldn't that make the mantra of Tibetan origin rather than Indian origin? Why would Indians use part of the Tibetan word for the Western Paradise in their mantra?
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Seeker12 » Thu May 17, 2018 3:26 pm

yan kong wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 8:51 pm
Wouldn't that make the mantra of Tibetan origin rather than Indian origin? Why would Indians use part of the Tibetan word for the Western Paradise in their mantra?
Good point. Most likely I'm simply wrong - I was told that a while back but I don't see how that would be.

I'll retract my statement, then :P Thanks.
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by jkt » Sat May 19, 2018 5:39 am

Grigoris wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:59 am
Cyrus wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:26 am
Nevertheless there is the Aspiration Prayer of Sukhavati by Karma Chagme which I can recommend that can be practised without a lung:
https://vdocuments.site/documents/karma ... 58-en.html

May it be of great benefit.

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That's a nice one! :smile:
Yes it is Grigoris! Thank you for sharing Cyrus :namaste:

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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Malcolm » Sat May 19, 2018 5:43 am

Jingang wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:21 am
Just a question on the Amitabha mantra. The most common one is Om Amideva Hrih. However I also read it by Tulku Thondup Rinpoche as Om Amitabha Hrih.

Is anyone familiar with the latter?
The former is a Tibetsn corruption of the latter, however it is so diffuse now as to have become canonical.
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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Fortyeightvows » Sat May 19, 2018 8:00 am

Malcolm wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 5:43 am
Jingang wrote:
Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:21 am
Just a question on the Amitabha mantra. The most common one is Om Amideva Hrih. However I also read it by Tulku Thondup Rinpoche as Om Amitabha Hrih.
Is anyone familiar with the latter?
The former is a Tibetsn corruption of the latter, however it is so diffuse now as to have become canonical.
That's interesting! I had wondered about that.

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Re: Question on the Amitabha mantra

Post by Cyrus » Fri May 25, 2018 8:23 am

Vasana wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:39 pm
Cyrus wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:58 am
Vasana wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:12 am
I figured that there may be Amitabha Sadhanas that don't require lung? Similar to those Shakyamuni, Medicine Buddha, Chenrezig and Tara practices that you can practice without lung.
I encountered 'The Swift Path to Great Bliss' which was deciphered by the Thirteenth Dalai Lama, this sādhana of Amitābha is among the most famous revelations of Tertön Sogyal Lerab Lingpa:

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-mas ... reat-bliss

Lotsawa House does not mention the necessity to have received the appropriate tantric empowerment in order to practice this sādhana.
If you want to be sure whether this is the case, I suggest you contact them.

I hope this is the sādhana that may fulfil your wish.

__/\__
I havn't messaged Lotsawa House yet and from the looks of that text it looks like it would need a rLung but I recently found this simple and concise sādhana compiled by Lama Thubten Yeshe. I emailed Sravasti Abbey and was told it does not require a transmission to practice. :smile:
https://thubtenchodron.org/2017/07/amitabha-sadhana/
Magnificent! Glad to see you have found this beautiful, and accessible practise.
Have you watched Sravasti Abbey's venerable Thubten Chodron's teachings on the Amitabha practice?
It is a quite comprehensive series of teachings that is conducive to the sādhana:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... YLfiMs8sc0

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