What do you think about those mediums and oracles of Guan Yin?
Are they faking taking trance and all that?
Can an enlightened being really take possession of a medium just like an ordinary spirit? And if they can't, then what kind of entity masquerades there as Guan Yin?
Guan Yin oracles?
Guan Yin oracles?
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Re: Guan Yin oracles?
Tibetan Buddhist lineages have a long standing tradition of Oracles which are regarded as authentic mediums.
May I suggest this documentary about the Oracle that serves to advise the Dalai Lama on matters of both spiritual and worldly concerns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ1VvvrAILo
"Cloaked in secrecy for over 400 years, the State Oracle of Tibet has been a strange and mystical aspect of the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. This ancient spirit, which has inhabited a succession of thirteen human mediums, advises the Dalai Lama on matters of public and religious policy. To witness the eerie spectacle of a medium entering a trance state and being possessed by the Oracle is to confront profound questions about the very nature of human consciousness.
With permission from the Dalai Lama that had never been granted before, The Oracle explores the ancient practice of consulting spirits."
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May I suggest this documentary about the Oracle that serves to advise the Dalai Lama on matters of both spiritual and worldly concerns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ1VvvrAILo
"Cloaked in secrecy for over 400 years, the State Oracle of Tibet has been a strange and mystical aspect of the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. This ancient spirit, which has inhabited a succession of thirteen human mediums, advises the Dalai Lama on matters of public and religious policy. To witness the eerie spectacle of a medium entering a trance state and being possessed by the Oracle is to confront profound questions about the very nature of human consciousness.
With permission from the Dalai Lama that had never been granted before, The Oracle explores the ancient practice of consulting spirits."
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Re: Guan Yin oracles?
Do you mean the one in the video? I haven't watched the video yet. I know some a few who are very good at what they do.
There is a difference between acting and pretending.
Can/can't vs. Do/Don't....?
If this is what is happening, I would guess that it is another deity, probably a goddess, who is identified as Guan Yin because of the mediums background.
How do you think Juan Diego's vision of Mary of Guadalupe would have been identified had it happened 200 before it did? Or if it happened in America today? Maybe it isn't really a case of masquerading...
Re: Guan Yin oracles?
Not necessarily only those in the video. But rather all those who claim to be oracles for enlightened beings such as Guan Yin. Far as I know, enlightened beings do not manifest through oracles.Fortyeightvows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:30 amDo you mean the one in the video? I haven't watched the video yet. I know some a few who are very good at what they do.
Well, in this context I don't think there is much difference, really. Either the possession occurs or not. And if it doesn't, that means the medium fakes it regardless how you call that.Fortyeightvows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:30 amThere is a difference between acting and pretending.
Ok, then I reformulate: Do enlightened beings manifest through oracles and mediums the same way worldly spirits do?
That means you routinely invoke Guan Yin and you end up each and every time with some anonymous goddess instead. While I find that plausible, I'm still left wondering how would that happen.Fortyeightvows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:30 amIf this is what is happening, I would guess that it is another deity, probably a goddess, who is identified as Guan Yin because of the mediums background.
How do you think Juan Diego's vision of Mary of Guadalupe would have been identified had it happened 200 before it did? Or if it happened in America today? Maybe it isn't really a case of masquerading...
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Re: Guan Yin oracles?
That is Guan Yin the folk goddess in the video, not Guanyin the Bodhisattva.
No, Buddhas and Bodhisattvas do not communicate through oracles. Although I heard they use e-mail.
No, Buddhas and Bodhisattvas do not communicate through oracles. Although I heard they use e-mail.
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Yup, I heard that too.
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Re: Guan Yin oracles?
I wish I had a response to this.Tiago Simões wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:52 pm That is Guan Yin the folk goddess in the video, not Guanyin the Bodhisattva.
Is this distinction your own or have others used it as well?
Maybe it's what they like to call 'a distinction without a difference'?