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mental habits
mental habit of discourse lies on mental habit of grasping to mental formation, mental habit of grasping on mental formations lies in mental habit of the division of a self and an other, but mental habit of division of a self and an other is a subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality.
how such subtle habit can be stopped?
I mean, we know that's illusory because we like buddha or because we figured out, but how can we actually stop it? this is not a kind of philosophy.
this habit it is like a riverun at full speed!
what did Buddha thaught on this? wich hinayana, mahayana technique?
must I wait until it extinguishes by means of karma-becoming-to-end? I don't feel capable
how such subtle habit can be stopped?
I mean, we know that's illusory because we like buddha or because we figured out, but how can we actually stop it? this is not a kind of philosophy.
this habit it is like a riverun at full speed!
what did Buddha thaught on this? wich hinayana, mahayana technique?
must I wait until it extinguishes by means of karma-becoming-to-end? I don't feel capable
true dharma is inexpressible.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
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Re: mental habits
You can't really overtly stop it as I understand it, you can kind of "trace it back", and eventually look at the one who is dividing subject and object, and get a momentary collapse of the whole thing.. but that's just one map among many, not the territory.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:11 pm mental habit of discourse lies on mental habit of grasping to mental formation, mental habit of grasping on mental formations lies in mental habit of the division of a self and an other, but mental habit of division of a self and an other is a subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality.
how such subtle habit can be stopped?
I mean, we know that's illusory because we like buddha or because we figured out, but how can we actually stop it? this is not a kind of philosophy.
this habit it is like a riverun at full speed!
what did Buddha thaught on this? wich hinayana, mahayana technique?
must I wait until it extinguishes by means of karma-becoming-to-end? I don't feel capable
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when afflicted by disease
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
-Khunu Lama
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Re: mental habits
my 2 cents:
no need to actively stop 'em. watch your mind enough and you'll see and appreciate how they, like everything else, self-arise and self-dissolve.
put it differently, rest in the natural state (or make that the mental habit?! & the rest kind of takes care of itself
otherwise, I suppose there are various techniques for gaining both a conceptual understanding as well as actual experiences of emptiness/lack-of-self..etc. no?
no need to actively stop 'em. watch your mind enough and you'll see and appreciate how they, like everything else, self-arise and self-dissolve.
put it differently, rest in the natural state (or make that the mental habit?! & the rest kind of takes care of itself
otherwise, I suppose there are various techniques for gaining both a conceptual understanding as well as actual experiences of emptiness/lack-of-self..etc. no?
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Re: mental habits
for long time i took the same position while trying to apply method, "it's ok, it will fall", "i just have to watch", "i should just contemplate", and did nothing to watch closer, to vigilate this, and see well... but i'm afraid this passiveness was a big mistake.gb9810 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:25 pm my 2 cents:
no need to actively stop 'em. watch your mind enough and you'll see and appreciate how they, like everything else, self-arise and self-dissolve.
put it differently, rest in the natural state (or make that the mental habit?! & the rest kind of takes care of itself
otherwise, I suppose there are various techniques for gaining both a conceptual understanding as well as actual experiences of emptiness/lack-of-self..etc. no?
true dharma is inexpressible.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
Re: mental habits
interesting. I'd say after 25 yrs., "watch my mind" ended up "it" for me .. as simple as that. And I'd also say it's quite an active engagement, not passive at all.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:06 amfor long time i took the same position while trying to apply method, "it's ok, it will fall", "i just have to watch", "i should just contemplate", and did nothing to watch closer, to vigilate this, and see well... but i'm afraid this passiveness was a big mistake.gb9810 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:25 pm my 2 cents:
no need to actively stop 'em. watch your mind enough and you'll see and appreciate how they, like everything else, self-arise and self-dissolve.
put it differently, rest in the natural state (or make that the mental habit?! & the rest kind of takes care of itself
otherwise, I suppose there are various techniques for gaining both a conceptual understanding as well as actual experiences of emptiness/lack-of-self..etc. no?
I don't feel there is a one-size-fits-all approach here, at least at our stage, which is why a teacher is important. Even for myself, who knows, I don't rule out the next moment finding everything to be up-side-down and needing additional tools/tricks to deal with even subtler clingings...
But so far the method's been brilliant. I didn't appreciate or get it when my teacher said it the first time years ago, but after it being the same answer to my various questions, I guess I eventually took it to heart. Of course learning about the views + practices along the way must have helped I am sure, but at the core, that's it..
though re-reading your post, you were asking more about actual methods.. there I suspect everything I know you know already!
Re: mental habits
Whatever is effective.
Meditation on impermanence of all can always. Relaxes and so frees from the tightness of grasping.
Meditation on impermanence of all can always. Relaxes and so frees from the tightness of grasping.
Re: mental habits
There is no reason to stop it, even if that was possible. Attempts to stop mental formations usually strengthen them even while making them more subtle.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:11 pm mental habit of discourse lies on mental habit of grasping to mental formation, mental habit of grasping on mental formations lies in mental habit of the division of a self and an other, but mental habit of division of a self and an other is a subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality.
how such subtle habit can be stopped?
I mean, we know that's illusory because we like buddha or because we figured out, but how can we actually stop it? this is not a kind of philosophy.
this habit it is like a riverun at full speed!
what did Buddha thaught on this? wich hinayana, mahayana technique?
must I wait until it extinguishes by means of karma-becoming-to-end? I don't feel capable
The point is not to own them. They have no owner. They arise, they pass like clouds, or ripples in a stream. No technique will help or is needed. What is needed is prajna. This arises with awareness of no permanent self.
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Re: mental habits
Dhammapada Verse 282: Indeed, wisdom is born of meditation; without meditation wisdom is lost. Knowing this twofold path of gain and loss of wisdom, one should conduct oneself so that wisdom may increase.
One should not kill any living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should one incite any other to kill. Do never injure any being, whether strong or weak, in this entire universe!
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Re: mental habits
thank you <3
true dharma is inexpressible.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
Re: mental habits
What you describe is basically the activity of the neural default mode network (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_mode_network)javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:11 pm mental habit of discourse lies on mental habit of grasping to mental formation, mental habit of grasping on mental formations lies in mental habit of the division of a self and an other, but mental habit of division of a self and an other is a subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality.
how such subtle habit can be stopped?
I mean, we know that's illusory because we like buddha or because we figured out, but how can we actually stop it? this is not a kind of philosophy.
this habit it is like a riverun at full speed!
what did Buddha thaught on this? wich hinayana, mahayana technique?
must I wait until it extinguishes by means of karma-becoming-to-end? I don't feel capable
Meditation can cause structural changes in areas of the DMN such as the temporoparietal junction, posterior cingulate cortex, and precuneus have been found in meditation practitioners. There is reduced activation and reduced functional connectivity of the DMN in long-term practitioners.
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Anam Thubten.mindful attention, open awareness and loving kindness. By practicing these, we can let go of negative mental patterns and expand our heart and mind, bringing about joy, peace and inner freedom.
Re: mental habits
We are all born nakedly and death has no clothes. In between, we can choose which clothes we want to wear; those harming us or those for lasting peace.
In a dream I looked down to earth. I saw a beautiful boll, without borders, without politics, without races, without religions; no any obstruction was there available. The boll was peacefully playing, turning round, no any confused being was there. It was there playing in the care of all embracing spaciousness.
Then "I woke up" and said sh't ….out of my way! While the boll peacefully was turning round in its' spacious nature.
In a dream I looked down to earth. I saw a beautiful boll, without borders, without politics, without races, without religions; no any obstruction was there available. The boll was peacefully playing, turning round, no any confused being was there. It was there playing in the care of all embracing spaciousness.
Then "I woke up" and said sh't ….out of my way! While the boll peacefully was turning round in its' spacious nature.
Re: mental habits
occasionally, when on a mind rant....just say STOP
Re: mental habits
The four immeasurables.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:11 pm mental habit of discourse lies on mental habit of grasping to mental formation, mental habit of grasping on mental formations lies in mental habit of the division of a self and an other, but mental habit of division of a self and an other is a subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality.
how such subtle habit can be stopped?
I mean, we know that's illusory because we like buddha or because we figured out, but how can we actually stop it? this is not a kind of philosophy.
this habit it is like a riverun at full speed!
what did Buddha thaught on this? wich hinayana, mahayana technique?
must I wait until it extinguishes by means of karma-becoming-to-end? I don't feel capable
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
Re: mental habits
Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by: "subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality"javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:11 pm mental habit of discourse lies on mental habit of grasping to mental formation, mental habit of grasping on mental formations lies in mental habit of the division of a self and an other, but mental habit of division of a self and an other is a subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality.
Do other mental habits have intrinsic qualities?
Re: mental habits
PHAT!
Well, don't indulge in mind rants. Thinking something through is one thing but a "mind rant" should be cut when it arises. So called "mind rants" are all a result of negative emotions and never have anything positive to offer.
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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
Zen Master Seung Sahn said, “That’s simple. Atomic bombs come from the mind that likes this and doesn’t like that.”
"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche
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Re: mental habits
no, they don't; yet, they are there. By "here and there" "they" appear as formation.Bundokji wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:12 amExcuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by: "subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality"javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:11 pm mental habit of discourse lies on mental habit of grasping to mental formation, mental habit of grasping on mental formations lies in mental habit of the division of a self and an other, but mental habit of division of a self and an other is a subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality.
Do other mental habits have intrinsic qualities?
we all know that mental formations aren't real, like an ilusion, having the nature of not having nature, problem is how to stop the habit of creating. yep, all the suffering seems to be our own invention.
so i'm looking for the mahayana method of dealing with this.
a friend up said what buddha said, do meditation. so in the black-box of that endeavour lies an answer.
boddhicitta do helps a lot, things get far more clear, even if seems to be like replacing things instead of stoping.
true dharma is inexpressible.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
Re: mental habits
If i understand you correctly, because things appear to you as "there" you assumed that they are formations, and through them, you knew that there is something "here" which is inferred but not directly experienced.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:01 am no, they don't; yet, they are there. By "here and there" "they" appear as formation.
Why the above is a problem?
When you say "formations are not real" in relation to what? It has to be in relation to another idea (or another formation to use your own language) of what is real. If you truly believe that it has no nature, then describing it as an illusion cannot be true (because the nature of illusion is being illusive). When you say "all the suffering seems to be our own invention" and if you truly believe what you are saying, you would be free from suffering.we all know that mental formations aren't real, like an ilusion, having the nature of not having nature, problem is how to stop the habit of creating. yep, all the suffering seems to be our own invention.
So, would it be an idea to see that you are making claims which you don't truly believe in? More generally, when you are faced with a contradiction between what you say and how you act, actions usually serve as a more honest indication of what you truly believe.
Would it be possible that the teachings of "not self" are unwarranted conclusion in your case?
The vast majority of humans believe in a self, including you obviously. You can choose a different approach to meditation by justifying self view relying on your own experience. Investigate why you believe in a self, what justifies this belief (there are many by the way). You can begin by making a list of the reasons if you want to.so i'm looking for the mahayana method of dealing with this.
a friend up said what buddha said, do meditation. so in the black-box of that endeavour lies an answer.
boddhicitta do helps a lot, things get far more clear, even if seems to be like replacing things instead of stoping.
By the way, i am not better than you. I am not free from self view.
Good luck
Re: mental habits
Again, the four immeasurables is the mahayana method for dealing with this. Read The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech and The Words of My Perfect Teacher.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:01 amno, they don't; yet, they are there. By "here and there" "they" appear as formation.Bundokji wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:12 amExcuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by: "subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality"javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:11 pm mental habit of discourse lies on mental habit of grasping to mental formation, mental habit of grasping on mental formations lies in mental habit of the division of a self and an other, but mental habit of division of a self and an other is a subtle mental formation not an intrinsic quality.
Do other mental habits have intrinsic qualities?
we all know that mental formations aren't real, like an ilusion, having the nature of not having nature, problem is how to stop the habit of creating. yep, all the suffering seems to be our own invention.
so i'm looking for the mahayana method of dealing with this.
a friend up said what buddha said, do meditation. so in the black-box of that endeavour lies an answer.
boddhicitta do helps a lot, things get far more clear, even if seems to be like replacing things instead of stoping.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Re: mental habits
i don't know... but is evident that the portion of mahayana we know is just like "the peack of an iceberg"; it's obvious that boddhisattvas receives superior teachings as they get through superior bhumis.Josef wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:17 pmAgain, the four immeasurables is the mahayana method for dealing with this. Read The Nectar of Manjushri's Speech and The Words of My Perfect Teacher.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:01 amno, they don't; yet, they are there. By "here and there" "they" appear as formation.
we all know that mental formations aren't real, like an ilusion, having the nature of not having nature, problem is how to stop the habit of creating. yep, all the suffering seems to be our own invention.
so i'm looking for the mahayana method of dealing with this.
a friend up said what buddha said, do meditation. so in the black-box of that endeavour lies an answer.
boddhicitta do helps a lot, things get far more clear, even if seems to be like replacing things instead of stoping.
true dharma is inexpressible.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.